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RK Sport Powerdyne Supercharger Posted By: blackbird02 On: 09-05-2008 @ 00:32:36 Reply | Edit http://www.rksport.com/product/p_010910287/view_detail This is the kit to get if yer thinkin of going with forced induction in your 6 ers. It may cost more to start out with than tiago's, but think about it, by the time you have your headers fabed up, run lines through the oil pan, tear apart the bumpercover to put in the intercooler, and run all the tubes, yer gona have the same money, if not more put into the tubro kit, and instalation would take 3 times longer and be 3 times harder to put in for about the same hp gain, now rk sport is the way to go, whadda yas say? -- BlackBird02 aka 95camaro3400v6 (new car, new name) 2002 Firebird- y87 w68 3.8v6, a4, black, black leather, monsoon audio,t-tops, chrome wheels. Mods- K&N Filter, MORE TO COME Posted By: skorpion317 On: 04-05-2005 @ 00:43:19 Reply | Top | Edit umm...yeah. we've known about this for a while. there's a few problems. the blower has a habit of belt slippage, from what i hear. also, it doesn't produce as much power as tiago's turbo kit. the most they've gotten the RKSport blower to run is 9 psi, it produced 100 RWHP (from 156 rwhp to 256 rwhp) over stock. tiago's turbo kit @ 7 psi dyno'd 294 RWHP. crank up the boost to 15 psi with tiago's kit, and it goes to 352 RWHP. so, although tiago's kit may be slightly more expensive in the long run, it makes a hell of a lot more power. -- '98 Camaro V6 Mods: SLP airlid, Free Ram Air, K&N filter, "Home Depot" Intake, Custom Taillight Blackouts Best E/T: 15.489 @ 86.48 MPH members.cardomain.com/skorpion317 Posted By: pawn65 On: 04-05-2005 @ 01:10:44 Reply | Top | Edit hmm tiagos is with other moods to -- 
95 camaro silver ttoped 84 trans am silver ttoped Posted By: skorpion317 On: 04-05-2005 @ 02:27:49 Reply | Top | Edit "hmm tiagos is with other mods to" here is a direct quote from the Force Fed Fabrications site, as well as the dyno results at various PSI: "Upon dyno testing this kit has achieved the following results on a completely stock 2000 3.8L 5 speed Firebird with a MSD ignition DIS-4 box and Spec Stage 3 clutch to hold the power: @ 5 psi - 255 rwhp 290 rwtq @ 7 psi - 294 rwhp 360 rwtq @ 13 psi - 336 rwhp 399 rwtq @15 psi - 352 rwhp 416 rwtq" the kit makes as much power at 5 psi as the Powerdyne does at 9 psi. -- '98 Camaro V6 Mods: SLP airlid, Free Ram Air, K&N filter, "Home Depot" Intake, Custom Taillight Blackouts Best E/T: 15.489 @ 86.48 MPH members.cardomain.com/skorpion317 Posted By: skorpion317 On: 04-05-2005 @ 02:29:33 Reply | Top | Edit also, the car can make more power @ 15 PSI. the car hit the limiter in 4th gear at 5000 RPM and it stopped delivering fuel. if a full run was allowed with the limiter removed, it would make somewhere around 400 RWHP. -- '98 Camaro V6 Mods: SLP airlid, Free Ram Air, K&N filter, "Home Depot" Intake, Custom Taillight Blackouts Best E/T: 15.489 @ 86.48 MPH members.cardomain.com/skorpion317 Posted By: blackbird02 On: 04-05-2005 @ 02:42:55 Reply | Top | Edit ok, tiagos turbo kit may make more power than the rk sport supercharger, but when are you gonna have the turbo set at higher than 7ps1 besides the track? for daily driving its gonna be set at probably 5psi, sure the turbo kit can make almost 400hp if the limiter was removed, but thats not always a good thing, what about all the problems they had with all that power, destroyings clutches all the time, through a rod in the engine, and if it was on an auto tranny, it wouldnt be lasting long at all before your torque converter is shot, so in conclusion, the powerdyne supercharger may only make the same hp as tiagos turbo at 5psi, but at least the rest of your drive train will last longer. -- BlackBird02 aka 95camaro3400v6 (new car, new name) 2002 Firebird- y87 w68 3.8v6, a4, black, black leather, monsoon audio,t-tops, chrome wheels. Mods- K&N Filter, MORE TO COME Posted By: Jeremiah On: 04-05-2005 @ 04:28:04 Reply | Top | Edit If you are that worried about driveability, torque converter, and rear end, then you shouldnt be doing any kind of FI to your car. Turbo's are better for daily driving anyway from what I've heard. -- 2001 Firebird 3.8 5spd- K&N, exhaust, lid, wires,160 thermo, NGKs, HBHRacing fan switch, and HBHRacing SUPER-DUPER TOP SECRET MOD ---2.1 60' 1/8th-9.77@71 1/4-15.22@90 
Baton Rouge, LA - official test dummy car for Harlan's crazy ideas at the future HBHRacing Posted By: goldenphoenix On: 04-05-2005 @ 09:33:23 Reply | Top | Edit Im going to be running my turbo at 9 or 10 psi daily. We can run up to 12 but Im going to stay safe. Im not too worried about the drivetrain because I plan to replace it anyway.  Im also adding the 36# fuel injectors and getting programming so i dont run into any problems with fuel delivery. -- 9.6 1/8 mile. Same tires as last time, still spinning thru first. 
Posted By: skorpion317 On: 04-05-2005 @ 12:51:43 Reply | Top | Edit if you're going FI you should upgrade the drivetrain anyway. the clutch that was destroyed on the test car was the stock clutch. I would have the boost on the turbo around 10-12 PSI for daily driving. 7 is kinda low for me. you're not gonna win this argument, blackbird. -- '98 Camaro V6 Mods: SLP airlid, Free Ram Air, K&N filter, "Home Depot" Intake, Custom Taillight Blackouts Best E/T: 15.489 @ 86.48 MPH members.cardomain.com/skorpion317 Posted By: blackbird02 On: 04-05-2005 @ 17:19:55 Reply | Top | Edit well, i still think the supercharger is the way to go, its esier to install and would only take a day or two tops if you know what your doing compared to weeks with forecedfedfab's turbo kit which is more complex, yes your sacrificing some hp but a low 14 high 13 second 1/4 in a 6 banger is fast enough. get a hypertech 3 to raise the speed limiter and you can go almost as fast with rk's supercharger as forcedfedfab's turbo which could probly top out somewhere in the 130-140 mph range, maybe faster, plus rk's kit isnt all out like the turbo kit, you could probly upgrade the internals if you wanted for some extra hp too. -- BlackBird02 aka 95camaro3400v6 (new car, new name) 2002 Firebird- y87 w68 3.8v6, a4, black, black leather, monsoon audio,t-tops, chrome wheels. Mods- K&N Filter, MORE TO COME Posted By: Knyght On: 04-05-2005 @ 18:02:59 Reply | Top | Edit Dude seriously are you like a distributor for RKsport or something? Posted By: blackbird02 On: 04-05-2005 @ 18:26:31 Reply | Top | Edit thats not a bad idea, i could use another job for some extra cash, might be a problem tho since im in michigan and their in california. thats the only prob wit this state, no one has a shop like rk sport or performance shop like that, all we got in BFE is cows outnumber people and and rednecks with arkansa doublewides. -- BlackBird02 aka 95camaro3400v6 (new car, new name) 2002 Firebird- y87 w68 3.8v6, a4, black, black leather, monsoon audio,t-tops, chrome wheels. Mods- K&N Filter, MORE TO COME Posted By: Hedzilla On: 04-05-2005 @ 19:29:25 Reply | Top | Edit the supercharger is good, yes, but why would you pay 4000 for a 14 flat car? think of it this way: if you sold you car, added 4000 on top of what you sold your car for, what kind of car could you buy? an LT1 at least, if not an LS1. if i were to do FI, turbo is the way to go. much more power for the money, and for some people, low 14's on the street with the Powerdyne unit ISNT fast enough. -- 1996 Camaro 3.8L M5....basic mods, still slow. 15.15 @ 91.13, 2.3 60' Posted By: badSol On: 04-05-2005 @ 19:36:08 Reply | Top | Edit The supercharger would have the same problems with the drivetrain that Tiago's turbo kit has, if it made the same kind of power the turbo kit makes. It burns up clutches because it makes power. You say if you want extra power with the supercharger, you could upgrade the internals, but you also seem to want to take the upgrading internals into account when calculating the price for the turbo kit. You're going to have to start comparing apples to apples here if you want to have a decent argument for the supercharger. It's just plain not as good as the turbo kit. -- 
1999 Trans Am M6, FRA, K&N, Skip Shift bypass, Cutout, 2.73's, SLP Radiator, LS1 Motorsports lid, LS1 Motorsports Smooth Bellows Posted By: Green97Firebird On: 04-05-2005 @ 20:26:02 Reply | Top | Edit i could put 4 grand in to my pontiac motor and womp both kits  
I'm just goofin off I know we're talkin about v6's here --   
-1997 Pontiac Firebird V6 SLP CAI, SS Exhaust, 3.42/Posi, Big Block Hood, Trans Am Bumper Covers 2.277 60', 9.849 @ 73.734 Posted By: skorpion317 On: 04-05-2005 @ 20:28:24 Reply | Top | Edit however, i will have to mention that the fastest V6 f-body (street-legal) has a Powerdyne supercharger. the owner's name is Shirl, she drives a '97 Camaro that ran a best of 11.8. i believe that once the kinks are worked out of the FFF turbo kit, we will see that time fall to a turbo car. -- '98 Camaro V6 Mods: SLP airlid, Free Ram Air, K&N filter, "Home Depot" Intake, Custom Taillight Blackouts Best E/T: 15.489 @ 86.48 MPH members.cardomain.com/skorpion317 Posted By: blackbird02 On: 04-05-2005 @ 20:29:09 Reply | Top | Edit I will not give up on this argument, i am too bound and determined not to give up now, superchargers is the way to go, turbos are for ricers, plus supercharges are best for lazy people, if i was to decide to go turbo, i would go twin turbocharge just to make it worth my while, besides the car cost me $3200, the supercharger kit would cost more than my car, so its gonna have to be good, by the way is anybody interested in a 98 firebird parts car for $1100? engine and tranny have 132k on them, front end parts are gone, nice looking tan leather seats, 3 good and 1 bad chrome wheels, good rear hatch, good ttops, factory monsoon radio works like new, will part out, lets talk deal anyone. -- BlackBird02 aka 95camaro3400v6 (new car, new name) 2002 Firebird- y87 w68 3.8v6, a4, black, black leather, monsoon audio,t-tops, chrome wheels. Mods- K&N Filter, MORE TO COME Posted By: blackbird02 On: 04-05-2005 @ 20:42:31 Reply | Top | Edit Nevermind, i like my new idea, screw superchargers they suck, my new idea is a twin turbo, thats better than your guys single turbo setup, it will consist of 2 T61 turbos with 1 biga** intercooler and everything else tiago sells with his kit and at 20psi i will be able to make 550 rwhp and and 600 rwtq, and run a 1/4 in 10 seconds, why go with only a 12.5 second single turbo when u could go with a 10 second twin turbo, try to beat that argument. If 1 turbo is good, then 2 are better -- BlackBird02 aka 95camaro3400v6 (new car, new name) 2002 Firebird- y87 w68 3.8v6, a4, black, black leather, monsoon audio,t-tops, chrome wheels. Mods- K&N Filter, MORE TO COME Posted By: skorpion317 On: 04-05-2005 @ 21:23:54 Reply | Top | Edit go ahead and try to make a twin-turbo set-up. it's possible, but it'll cost an assload of money and you probably don't have all that much. -- '98 Camaro V6 Mods: SLP airlid, Free Ram Air, K&N filter, "Home Depot" Intake, Custom Taillight Blackouts Best E/T: 15.489 @ 86.48 MPH members.cardomain.com/skorpion317 Posted By: badSol On: 04-05-2005 @ 21:28:02 Reply | Top | Edit If you're going to do that, do 1 big turbo, and 1 small turbo, I'm gonna find it hard to believe you'll be able to spool up 2 T-61 turbo's off the 3.8, I could be wrong though. --
1999 Trans Am M6, FRA, K&N, Skip Shift bypass, Cutout, 2.73's, SLP Radiator, LS1 Motorsports lid, LS1 Motorsports Smooth Bellows Posted By: Vyse On: 04-05-2005 @ 23:13:33 Reply | Top | Edit If that guy is a sounds like a distro for RKsport, some of you guys sound like you have stock in FFF. Tiago is the man! Hell yeah. I'm with some of the other people out there, in that I say save your cash and buy an LT1 or LS1. As cool and kick ass it would be to hop up a 3800, it's just not practical. Yeah, you can get crazy power from a turbo, but all of the fabrication, and the inevitable engine/transmission damage is enough to keep me away from it. Oh yeah, and the comment that turbos are for ricers is horseshit. I've driven two Grand Nationals and those cars are not rice. Also, I'm not an engine building expert, but I don't think that a 3800 can come close to handling 20 psi. I don't think the bottom end could take it, let alone stock connecting rods. Tons of work is going to be needed to run serious boost. -- 1997 Camaro http://photos.yahoo.com/dr_hooride http://briefcase.yahoo.com/dr_hooride Posted By: Knyght On: 04-05-2005 @ 09:38:51 Reply | Top | Edit So black goes far enough to say a turbo is for ricers and then he says he wants a twin turbo setup... give me whatever drugs you're on so i can entertain and amuse people as much as you are right now. Posted By: blackbird02 On: 04-05-2005 @ 16:18:56 Reply | Top | Edit accually i did have back surgery last week, but the only drug i was on was called darvaset -- BlackBird02 aka 95camaro3400v6 (new car, new name) 2002 Firebird- y87 w68 3.8v6, a4, black, black leather, monsoon audio,t-tops, chrome wheels. Mods- K&N Filter Posted By: Vyse On: 04-05-2005 @ 03:01:40 Reply | Top | Edit  -- 1997 Camaro http://photos.yahoo.com/dr_hooride http://briefcase.yahoo.com/dr_hooride Posted By: goldenphoenix On: 04-05-2005 @ 13:41:08 Reply | Top | Edit The stock engine blocks are the same for both the GTPs and the Fbodys. Our bottom end is sorely underated. The stock internals do need to be replaced but thats it. There are other people out there who are running over 32 psi through there stock bottom end 3800 series engines. If the most that I thought I could away with on my engine block was only 15-20 psi I wouldnt even bother with this project. BUT I KNOW otherwise!  -- 9.6 1/8 mile. Same tires as last time, still spinning thru first.
Posted By: goldenphoenix On: 04-05-2005 @ 13:44:17 Reply | Top | Edit By the way...One good turbo that works works well with your car is way better than 2 larger ones that dont. Ive spent alot of time talking with Tiago over the past year. Tiagos dreams and mine go hand in hand...we want the same thing. Trust me. If Tiago thought that a 2 turbo combination was better than one then he would have designed his kit with twin turbos. -- 9.6 1/8 mile. Same tires as last time, still spinning thru first.
Posted By: Hedzilla On: 04-05-2005 @ 19:42:45 Reply | Top | Edit LOL, blackbird, if you think all you gotta do is throw 2 turbos on your car and get 550rwhp and run 10's, you got a serious wake up call. Viper04af on camarov6.com built his motor for exactly that goal: 550rwhp and at least a 10.99 in the 1/4 mile. He has spent over $20,000 so far on it. He is using Tiago's turbo kit, with a different turbo, and a shatload of boost. Oh, and eventually, you will reach max power with two turbos. Thats why EVERY seriously performing stock twin-turbo car (300ZX, Supra, VR4, etc.) goes to a single turbo when they upgrade. Sure, you get more lag, but you make a helluva lot more power. Honestly, i dont think you have the slightest clue what you are talking about, or what you are up against. Im all for modding V6's somewhat, but the amount of work your even imagining into putting into your V6 is just insane. -- 1996 Camaro 3.8L M5....basic mods, still slow. 15.15 @ 91.13, 2.3 60' Posted By: blackbird02 On: 04-05-2005 @ 19:57:12 Reply | Top | Edit  $20,000 FUCKING DOLLARS -- 2002 Firebird- y87 w68 3.8v6, a4, black, black leather, monsoon audio,t-tops, chrome wheels. (Preped For Paint) Current Ride-  1994 Dodge Ram 4x4 5.2 (hey its faster than a 3.4)
Mods- K&N Filter Future Mods- Whatever I can aford. Posted By: skorpion317 On: 04-05-2005 @ 02:58:50 Reply | Top | Edit it's just too bad Viper can't type
he spent a lot on that car, and it is indeed VERY quick. -- '98 Camaro V6 Mods: SLP airlid, Free Ram Air, K&N filter, "Home Depot" Intake, Custom Taillight Blackouts Best E/T: 15.489 @ 86.48 MPH members.cardomain.com/skorpion317 Posted By: 3rdFbody On: 04-05-2005 @ 12:34:06 Reply | Top | Edit Blackbird, where are you at in Michigan? ow much would you want just for the wheels off that 98 parts car? email me @ akadog_2000@yahoo.com. Posted By: Jeremiah On: 04-05-2005 @ 12:46:28 Reply | Top | Edit Yea, I kinda made a $15k list for a killer n/a v6 project. But that also includes all suspension too. Add the turbo and I can imagine the project reaching $20k. I know you can dump $20k into a v8 and get a 8 second car, but everybody does that. I want my v8 to be my dd when I get a chance to own one. -- 2001 Firebird 3.8 5spd- K&N, exhaust, lid, wires,160 thermo, NGKs, HBHRacing fan switch, and HBHRacing SUPER-DUPER TOP SECRET MOD ---2.1 60' 1/8th-9.77@71 1/4-15.22@90
Baton Rouge, LA - official test dummy car for Harlan's crazy ideas at the future HBHRacing Posted By: blackbird02 On: 04-05-2005 @ 17:23:03 Reply | Top | Edit gee $15k, i kinda like a $1500 list for a killer n/a v6 project a little better, ZZP 4.1 Stroker kit $1499, big red gum pack $1, my list is done --  Posted By: Vyse On: 04-05-2005 @ 01:08:17 Reply | Top | Edit A few extra cubes isn't going to turn your car into a V8 killer. It's a good start though. -- 1997 Camaro http://photos.yahoo.com/dr_hooride http://briefcase.yahoo.com/dr_hooride [ Edited on 09/24/2004 @ 01:38:44 ] Posted By: pawn65 On: 04-05-2005 @ 01:04:13 Reply | Top | Edit skorpion you do know their are two kits right?--
95 camaro silver ttoped 84 trans am silver ttoped Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 06-04-2008 @ 18:00:36 Reply | Top | Edit lol... who would of known that there is now a 8 sec 1/4 mile v6 fbody hahahahha --  
1998-Firebird 0-60 in 8.5sec! FTW! (Slowest fbody on Fbody.com) Posted By: jamezruiz On: 06-04-2008 @ 19:26:25 Reply | Top | Edit NICEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! *thumbs p* --  Posted By: Fury_786 On: 06-04-2008 @ 19:56:36 Reply | Top | Edit goddamnit n00bz -- 
2002 Camaro M5, FTW  [Whisper Lid][K&N][Flowmaster][B&M Shifter][3:42's, posi][TB Spacer][BMR STB][Adj. Panhard by Fury  ][Built T-5][Alum. 3.5" DS w/1350 Dana’s][HP Tuned by Fury ][100 shot wet kit][Pacesetter's][SLP LL's][Lakewood LCA's][Poly TM][180*][iCAT][MSD 8.5's][NGK Iridiums][3" Cutout][ST 1.75" drop][fra mods]
 Posted By: Jeremiah On: 06-04-2008 @ 22:43:37 Reply | Top | Edit -- 2005 GMC 1500HD 6.0L, 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix 1991 Camaro - 24 Hours of LeMons race car. Pics: ftp://72.167.14.32/24hoursoflemons 
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 06-05-2008 @ 12:32:11 Reply | Top | Edit whattttttt? lol I thought it was funny  --
1998-Firebird 0-60 in 8.5sec! FTW! (Slowest fbody on Fbody.com) Posted By: Jeremiah On: 06-05-2008 @ 14:18:05 Reply | Top | Edit lol it wasnt the comment, it was that you brought up a post from the dark ages. This post has a date of 04.05.2005 which means that the last time someone posted here was way before that because that date is when the server crashed and all threads were dated April 5th of 2005. -- 2005 GMC 1500HD 6.0L, 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix 1991 Camaro - 24 Hours of LeMons race car. Pics: ftp://72.167.14.32/24hoursoflemons
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 06-05-2008 @ 20:06:24 Reply | Top | Edit i miss tori --
1998-Firebird 0-60 in 8.5sec! FTW! (Slowest fbody on Fbody.com) Posted By: Fury_786 On: 06-05-2008 @ 21:58:57 Reply | Top | Edit why cant threads that are over x amount of months/years just be locked? damn you n00bz go to the proverbial corner! or Tyrel's closet. --
2002 Camaro M5, FTW [Whisper Lid][K&N][Flowmaster][B&M Shifter][3:42's, posi][TB Spacer][BMR STB][Adj. Panhard by Fury ][Built T-5][Alum. 3.5" DS w/1350 Dana’s][HP Tuned by Fury ][100 shot wet kit][Pacesetter's][SLP LL's][Lakewood LCA's][Poly TM][180*][iCAT][MSD 8.5's][NGK Iridiums][3" Cutout][ST 1.75" drop][fra mods]
Posted By: goldenphoenix On: 06-06-2008 @ 09:59:17 Reply | Top | Edit Tyrels closet!  -- Why in the world would I ever want to downgrade to a V8? 
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