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I need Audio Help. Posted By: crunkmaro 
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11-22-2008 @ 12:24:36 Reply | Edit
i have a convertible...i need the speakers to be a LOT louder lol. the exhaust when the top is up drowns out the speakers...and the noise when the top is down drowns out the speakers there is NO bass... i have the blaupunkt melbourne sd47 or something head unit. its 4x25 watt and has 4 channel pre-outs for amparoos and shiznits. i like this head unit, im not changing it. i like sd cards. basically...what front speakers? what back speakers? and what kinda subwoofer will fit in a custom box made to fit in the rear seat cubby hole? it has the be a slim one i suppose...something that doesn't need a lot of room to work. -- i rock. Posted By: Jeremiah On: 04-23-2008 @ 13:56:34 Reply | Top | Edit If you want something nice and not too over-powering, one of my first systems was a Sony Xplod 45x4 amp, 4 channel equalizer, and Pioneer 3-ways for speakers. It made everything 1000x clearer and of course a lot louder. The bass is up to you on how much you want. I can suggest a system for pretty much any need/budget. I used to be a dealer on the side when I was in highschool and college. Id buy systems, install it in my car, then put them in the paper for cheaper than most people could buy new. Sometimes I'd buy bulk so as soon as I'd sell a set, the next would go in my car  One of my more over the top systems was a 100% audiobahn setup. 100x4 audiobahn amp for the mids and highs and audiobahn speakers with it. 50x2 for tweeters and 1500watt audiobahn amp with their 12" SQ subs...it was like sitting in a theater. I kinda miss it, but got more into speed than sound in recent years -- 2005 GMC 1500HD 6.0L, 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix 1991 Camaro - 24 Hours of LeMons race car. Pics: ftp://72.167.14.32/24hoursoflemons  "uhmmm maybe all the dinosaurs farts caused the first ice age, and all the mammoth's farts caused the world to warm back up again. so now since we don't have anything that big all the other animals farts have taken so long to ruin the world more. interesting haha" --Fattie [ Edited on 04/23/2008 @ 14:00:54 ] Posted By: CayenneRedV6 On: 04-23-2008 @ 14:30:36 Reply | Top | Edit Don't get coaxials, get a pair of components. And if I where you I wouldn't ask car audio questions on here, no offence Jeremiah. Go to caraudio.com/forum But, while I'm here, don't buy anything made by Sony, it's all crap. Also, what alot of true audio guys will advise is to ditch the rear speakers and just get a set of components for the front. Personaly I have a pair of Cerwin Vega V-Max 65's and I am very happy with them. I have them running off of 100 rms each and they get loud. Another good budget set that people recomend are the Pheonix Gold RSD's. Even though people will tell you to ditch the rear speakers I still went with a pair of rears because they are located right behind my head. I'm not sure where they are in a convertable though. And as for the sub I used to have (2) 12" subs in the rear seat area. They where in single sealed 12" boxes one in each butt area. But, now I have (1) 12" Fi Q in a sealed box running off of 1000 rms. Best soundung sub I have ever owned. It's not REAL loud but it sounds so clean and crisp. Also if you want to take up as little room as possable like I did, get Alpine's PDX amps. Small ass amps with big power, plus they are stackable. But like I said the best place to get car audio advise is from that forum I put the address to. --  1998 V6 Camaro A4, whisper lid, deleted air silencer, 160* thermo, plugs and wires, SLP Cold Air Intake, Magnaflow Cat-Back, deleted cat, MSD DIS-4, MSD Coils [ Edited on 04/23/2008 @ 14:38:34 ] Posted By: Storn On: 04-23-2008 @ 19:18:49 Reply | Top | Edit well crunk, my system has 3 pre amp outputs, 1 for subs, 1 for front speakers, 1 for back speakers. if you have the 6 speaker setup you could get a 6 channel amp and 6 upgraded speakers, personally i dont think you need to go crazy with the quality/price on them. i have infinity reference 6012's, they arrent top of the line, just got a good deal on them, but i have my amp pushing not even half its power to them and they sound great with no distortion when all the way turned up, at that point its so loud i cant be in the car. if you have a 4 speaker setup get a 4 channel amp and do that the same way as stated above with the 6. everything is better when run through an amp, small 4 channel amps are not expensive. for the subs, it depends on what you like to listen to. if you listen primarily to hard rock like me, then go with 10's and .75-1.0 cubic feet of space per sub. if you are into the thumpidy thump go with a box that has 12's and 1.5-2.0 cubic feet per speaker, some people recomend more volume than that for deeper bass, some recomend ported boxes, personally i like sealed. i am not very familiar with the space or room for subs in a convertable car, im assuming there is no room whatsoever in the hatch area. if that is the case you could always do a rear seat delete, there is a company that makes cloth covered boxes that match the interior, to go where the rear seats are, you could put the subs and amps on top of that. all the seat delete boxes do is make it flat all the way across, a box and subs/amps would go on top of that. if you want to keep your rear seats you could try and utilize the space between the rear seats with possibly a 10, or one of those weird bazooka cannon things but ive never heard anything good about those. its all up to you. --   2001 V6 5speed Posi 3.73's, Pacesetter Headers, Magnaflow High Flow Cat & Cat-Back, Cut-Out, Whisper Lid, Home Made EGR Delete, B&M Short Throw W/T-Handle, 180* Thermostat, 2-10in kicker comp vr's running off a momoblock, 4 infinity reference 6012's off a 4channel jbl... [ Edited on 04/23/2008 @ 19:22:55 ] Posted By: Fury_786 On: 04-23-2008 @ 19:49:13 Reply | Top | Edit SPEND MONEY you cheap ass -- 
2002 Camaro M5, FTW  [Whisper Lid][K&N][Flowmaster][B&M Shifter][3:42's, posi][TB Spacer][BMR STB][Adj. Panhard by Fury  ][Built T-5][Alum. 3.5" DS w/1350 Dana’s][HP Tuned by Fury ][100 shot wet kit][Pacesetter's][SLP LL's][Lakewood LCA's][Poly TM][180*][iCAT][MSD 8.5's][NGK Iridiums][3" Cutout][ST 1.75" drop][fra mods]
   Posted By: CayenneRedV6 On: 04-23-2008 @ 21:01:44 Reply | Top | Edit Like I said go else where for car audio advise. Sealed boxes are used for sound quality, ported boxes are used for spl. And just because they are 12's doesn't mean they are going to "thumpidy thump" as you put. Size is not the only factor in how loud a sub will get. (1) 10" could be made to be just as loud and louder than (1) 12". Also, the size of the box is specific to each sub. And no one needs six speakers in a car. One pair would do just fine, but like I said I went against the grain and went with two pair because of where they are located. The speakers I recommended are not expensive about $180 shipped. Don't get coaxials, you can get a realy good pair of components for the some price usualy. Component speakers will always have better sound quality. Storm. how many watts are running to your speakers. How loud something gets is opinion. Unless your running like 200 rms to EACH of your four speaker it's probably not that bad. Personally I run 100 rms to each of my four speaker and I whish I had just another 50-75rms a piece to give them. As far as location of the subs, I prefer them in the back seat area because, in an fbody anyway, one you don't have to worry about trunk rattle and, two you don't loose your trunk space. And finally if you do run your comps off of an amp, don't forget to run new wire to the speakers. It would proably be OK if you didn't but, no reason to half ass something. Better safe than sorry also, it would suck to put more current through a wire than it could handle and light your car on fire. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything but spreading around bad information will eventually lead to the end of the world.  --
1998 V6 Camaro A4, whisper lid, deleted air silencer, 160* thermo, plugs and wires, SLP Cold Air Intake, Magnaflow Cat-Back, deleted cat, MSD DIS-4, MSD Coils Posted By: Fury_786 On: 04-23-2008 @ 21:05:06 Reply | Top | Edit my total audio in the SS is just about $850 that includes all 3 amps, 6 speakers, box, 2 woofers and shit --
2002 Camaro M5, FTW [Whisper Lid][K&N][Flowmaster][B&M Shifter][3:42's, posi][TB Spacer][BMR STB][Adj. Panhard by Fury ][Built T-5][Alum. 3.5" DS w/1350 Dana’s][HP Tuned by Fury ][100 shot wet kit][Pacesetter's][SLP LL's][Lakewood LCA's][Poly TM][180*][iCAT][MSD 8.5's][NGK Iridiums][3" Cutout][ST 1.75" drop][fra mods]
Posted By: Jeremiah On: 04-24-2008 @ 00:55:37 Reply | Top | Edit No offenSe taken ..but while I'm here...Sooooo if I gave some of the exact same info on caraudio.com, it would make it better? I've never liked Sony speakers or head units, but never had any trouble with their amps. I'm just giving some advice on some cost effective setups that still sound good. There are hundreds of brands and they all became big somehow...just like cars. We can say Ford sucks all day long, but they have to be doing something right for them to be where they are ..its all personal experience and preference. Why not go with coaxials? MOST people are looking for a little cleaner sound w/o custom mounting component speakers and I promise most people wont notice enough of a difference in the sound to warrant spending the extra cash on components.
I've been building stereo systems for over 10 years now...not so much in the last couple of years, but I'd like to think I know a thing or two about this stuff
-- 2005 GMC 1500HD 6.0L, 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix 1991 Camaro - 24 Hours of LeMons race car. Pics: ftp://72.167.14.32/24hoursoflemons
"uhmmm maybe all the dinosaurs farts caused the first ice age, and all the mammoth's farts caused the world to warm back up again. so now since we don't have anything that big all the other animals farts have taken so long to ruin the world more. interesting haha" --Fattie Posted By: crunkmaro
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04-24-2008 @ 01:09:01 Reply | Top | Edit
cayennered...what kinda boxes did you have your subs in? -- i rock. Posted By: crunkmaro
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04-24-2008 @ 01:21:55 Reply | Top | Edit
http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?o=p&showAll=Y&g=410&i=500SPS600C&tp=106 hows tat -- i rock. Posted By: Jeremiah On: 04-24-2008 @ 01:29:59 Reply | Top | Edit Get a decent amp to push them. Your head unit wont do them justice...and decent doesnt necessairly mean high wattage -- 2005 GMC 1500HD 6.0L, 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix 1991 Camaro - 24 Hours of LeMons race car. Pics: ftp://72.167.14.32/24hoursoflemons "uhmmm maybe all the dinosaurs farts caused the first ice age, and all the mammoth's farts caused the world to warm back up again. so now since we don't have anything that big all the other animals farts have taken so long to ruin the world more. interesting haha" --Fattie [ Edited on 04/24/2008 @ 01:30:27 ] Posted By: crunkmaro
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04-24-2008 @ 01:53:23 Reply | Top | Edit
yeah i understand the whole amp thing. am i matching rms with rms? -- i rock. Posted By: CayenneRedV6 On: 04-24-2008 @ 12:35:12 Reply | Top | Edit It's OK to have an amp that puts out more power than your speakers can handle as long as you ajust the gain right. And as far as the Alpine speakers I have never heard them personally but Alpine makes good stuff. And the box I have my sub in is just a single sealed box that I build. Heres a pic of it:  These speakers here: http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=17540 are the PG's that every one has a boner for right now. And these are the ones that I have: http://sonicelectronix.com/item_12089_Cerwin-Vega+VMX65+-VMax+65-.html But those Alpine's will probabley sound good, especially compared to what your used to. Jeremiah, yeah some times I forget that the majority of people don't care or can't hear the difference and don't want to go through the trouble of a custom install. But, whith that said, when I made the switch from coaxials to components the difference in clarity was night and day. Especially after I sound deadened and sealed the doors. -- 1998 V6 Camaro A4, whisper lid, deleted air silencer, 160* thermo, plugs and wires, SLP Cold Air Intake, Magnaflow Cat-Back, deleted cat, MSD DIS-4, MSD Coils [ Edited on 04/24/2008 @ 12:36:53 ] Posted By: crunkmaro
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04-24-2008 @ 13:58:27 Reply | Top | Edit
what about ditching the rear speakers and putting in 8" subs shallow subs? would that work? -- i rock. Posted By: Storn On: 04-24-2008 @ 20:47:48 Reply | Top | Edit i just tried to keep it simple, im sure with a convertible it would be best to use just the two front speakers because with the top down my guess would be you would never hear the rear speakers anyway, no matter what the quality. i would go with high end speakers for the front and push a lot of watts, get them to sound clear, clean, and loud for the top down. my system is loud in my opinion because im talking a coupe car, my 4 speakers are 50rms rated and i think im pushing 40rms to them if im not mistaken, its very clear, and crisp sound, even with the windows down on the interstate. honestly i have never had mine turned all the way up, it would just be painful to be in the car like that. everyone prefers something different, i tend not to go overboard on things if i dont have to. --
2001 V6 5speed Posi 3.73's, Pacesetter Headers, Magnaflow High Flow Cat & Cat-Back, Cut-Out, Whisper Lid, Home Made EGR Delete, B&M Short Throw W/T-Handle, 180* Thermostat, 2-10in kicker comp vr's running off a momoblock, 4 infinity reference 6012's off a 4channel jbl... Posted By: crunkmaro
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04-25-2008 @ 03:32:50 Reply | Top | Edit
might go with those pgs... what about the subs in the side -- i rock. Posted By: ledzppn69 On: 04-25-2008 @ 13:48:06 Reply | Top | Edit For fronts, get polk db6501 speakers with components. retail for like $250, but you can get em off ebay for $100 for a pair, they come with crossovers and tweeters. my stock 3 speaker system is bumpin now... the fronts provide a lot of highs and lows, the sail panel speaker does midrange and the subs i have in there (2 10" P1's) provide a lot of bass... it's a full sounding system on almost any song. -- 93 z28, bolt ons, 1 of 17,850, super rare 
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