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PA k-member?

Posted By: Nick97TA On: 01-02-2008 @ 20:02:47         Reply | Edit
can any one tell me the web address to look at this k-member, I have done a search and can not find the company's web page.
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Posted By: existenial04 On: 10-25-2005 @ 20:10:44     Reply | Top | Edit
http://paracing.com/
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Posted By: badass383z28 On: 10-26-2005 @ 16:32:36     Reply | Top | Edit
I have heard some horror stories about PA racing so I'd read around first, I believe bigblockta had some problems from them

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Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-26-2005 @ 16:44:34     Reply | Top | Edit

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Posted By: Injuneer On: 10-26-2005 @ 16:52:15     Reply | Top | Edit
A buddy of mine broke a PA K-member on a hard drop from a wheelstand. While it isn't unreasonable for that to happen, the welds on the K-member were horrible... looked like someone dripped candle wax on steel tubing. Very little penetration, lots of gaps.

I may also be prejudiced against PA, because they agreed to make a healthy contribution to our "Fastest F-Body" events at E'town a few years ago, and after we included them in all the advertising and credited them as an event sponsor, they stiffed us and never sent the promised money.... wouldn't even respond to my requests for payment.
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Posted By: bigblocktransam On: 10-26-2005 @ 17:33:56     Reply | Top | Edit
ill never buy anything from them again, I had them make me one for my car, first off they sent me the wrong one, the first one I got was for a third gen, second one the motor mount was wrong sence I ordered solid mounts, I just did the work to it myself to make it right, if spohn designs one before I get my motor back ready to go in the car ill pull it back out and put a new one in there, id stay away from them.
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Posted By: Nick97TA On: 10-26-2005 @ 19:55:00     Reply | Top | Edit
I'm glad I already decided not to get a PA k-member and to get a BMR k-member.

The reason I asked for the website is because I bought a Granatelli k-member from Summit and when I got it, it bigger-than-shit said PA on it. And I paid $440 for a k-member that sells for $289 on the PA website. So I decided to return that k-member and go with the BMR.

The reason I'm looking for a k-member is because I'm building a turbocharger system for the car and need as much room as possible.

Has anybody had any problems with the BMR k-member?? Does anybody know if another company makes one with solid motor mounts??

Thanks for the help.
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[ Edited on 10/26/2005 @ 19:58:04 ]

Posted By: v8Roar On: 10-27-2005 @ 09:59:19     Reply | Top | Edit
I would give S&W Race cars a call. I notice they run a add in gm high-tech performance magazine, for their k-members. I know that S&W is known very well in the drag racing world, and is reputible. I would guess they they would offer a good quality k-member. I went to their website, but I couldn't find any additional information on their 4th gen k-member.

I would give them a call and explain your application, and see what they can do for you.

800-523-3353
http://www.swracecars.com

The add says.. K Members start at $419.00

I heard the BMR K-Members are a hit or a miss. Sometimes they fit like a dream, and other times, they require a little work to get them to fit right.

2 local LT1 guys have installed them on their 4th gen's and they are very happy with the product.

Hope this helps.

Mike
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Posted By: existenial04 On: 10-27-2005 @ 11:23:01     Reply | Top | Edit
I installed the complete front end about a year and a half ago. I love the k member (BMR) the only probs I had were prying the engine around to get the mounts to line up (normal) and getting lowering springs that actually lower the car. The new front end tppk so much weight off the front that it looked like a 4x4 in the front.3 inches higher than a stock 170,000m Z28 of a friends.Regular sportline springs would not take it down in comparison to the rear of the car, so custom cut sportlines were installed. Not that big of a deal if you are patient. the product is awsome. Because we have a dealer here, in Savannah GA most f bodies are running BMR parts and I have had no problems, nor have I seen any others having problems. I belive that I sent Harlan pics a long time ago, so he may have an opinion.
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1994 Z28. Spec Stage 3 clutch, moroso ca intake, de screened maf, flowmaster offroad pipe, full flowmaster back.Spec alum. flywheel, TB bypass, SLP manual fan switch, BMR K member, BMR upper and lower A arms.Polyurethane trans and motor mounts. Bilstien shocks, eibach sportline springs, LS1 shaft, BMR pan rod and control arms

Posted By: Injuneer On: 10-27-2005 @ 14:10:11     Reply | Top | Edit
Just curious - why would taking 50-60# off the front end of the car raise the front end 3"? The front springs probably are at least 300 #/in.... you wuold have to completely remove the engine (aqnd a bit more) to have the front end pop up 3".

Another source of 4th Gen K-members is Anthony Jones Engineering. His setu[p reduces weight even farther with a "strut" type conversion, in place of the double a-arms. Very light weight, very high quality products:

http://www.ajeracing.com/



[ Edited on 10/27/2005 @ 14:15:19 ]

Posted By: v8Roar On: 10-27-2005 @ 14:57:58     Reply | Top | Edit
What is the big difference between shocks and struts. I thought struts were shocks with the coils built into them. Am I leading on the right track?
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Posted By: Nick97TA On: 10-28-2005 @ 11:26:36     Reply | Top | Edit
I just got off the phone with S&W thay said the k-menbers are made by AJE so I call them and got the info I needed.thanks for all the help I am going for the BMR seeing how all my other stuff is BMR and have had no problems with it.

injunner- that set up look cool as hell but I will still drive this on the street and it does not look to streetable.
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[ Edited on 10/28/2005 @ 11:29:31 ]

Posted By: jnco1xprez On: 10-28-2005 @ 12:49:43     Reply | Top | Edit
I'm about to call BMR and ask if they can custom build a kmember like the one they made for their project GTO, where the middle opens up somehow for easy access to the oil pan.

I would say go with BMR. I have all control arms from their line of stuff. so far great feeling.

INJUNEER - who makes that steering rack. looks heavy duty. i'm looking for something that can take abuse and not crap out when i make about 1000 donuts in a parking lot.
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Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-28-2005 @ 13:57:42     Reply | Top | Edit
I'm still desiding against AJE and BMR. Both seem fine. I have only heard of 3 people breaking thier BMR. But I'll see what Spohn comes out with in the mean time.
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Posted By: Injuneer On: 10-28-2005 @ 15:55:41     Reply | Top | Edit
"What is the big difference between shocks and struts. I thought struts were shocks with the coils built into them. Am I leading on the right track?"

The term "strut" defines a suspension that consists of only 3 "links"..... 1) the chassis, 2) the lower A-arm and 3) a shock (called a "strut" ) that also acts as a structural member, carrying the spindle in many cases. Since you can not deform a structure consisting of 3 rigid/fixed length links, the strut incorporate the sliding element that allows a 3 link suspension to move. A "strut" type suspension was used in the 3rd Gen F-Bodies. It did NOT have the coil spring "built into them".

The 4th Gen suspension is an "unequal length A-arm" design. It consists of 4 "links"... 1) the chassis, 2) the lower A-arm, 3) the upper A-arm, 4) the steering knuckle. The shock and spring are totally independant of the 4 link system. They can be seperate units, or combined in a "coil-over" arrangement as they are on the 4th Gen F-Body.

Some visuals to help you see the difference:

Strut Suspension:



Unequal A-Arm Suspension:



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Posted By: v8Roar On: 10-28-2005 @ 16:27:37     Reply | Top | Edit
Fred thanks for the explanation, that is some very usefull information. Thanks!

Mike
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Posted By: Injuneer On: 10-28-2005 @ 18:14:27     Reply | Top | Edit
Those illustrations came off a Mustang sight.... they were part of a writeup explaining why the Mustang front suspension (strut type) sucks. You can see from the graphic how its almost impossible to control camber with their strut type suspension.

Posted By: Injuneer On: 10-28-2005 @ 18:19:52     Reply | Top | Edit
"INJUNEER - who makes that steering rack. looks heavy duty. i'm looking for something that can take abuse and not crap out when i make about 1000 donuts in a parking lot."

The AJE website indicates their F-Body kits work with either the Pinto rack or the stock rack. I guess that's a Pinto rack. They also sell a Mustang II rack for the same price, which is probably similar to the Pinto rack.

Should be easy to find a Pinto rack in a junk yard.... mostly it was the back end of the Pinto that exploded and burned when they got rammed in the a$$.
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Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-28-2005 @ 18:58:52     Reply | Top | Edit


The back end is usualy burnt to a crisp but the front should be ok.

But also, madman racing makes manual racks for our cars but the pinto deal works.
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Posted By: Nick97TA On: 10-29-2005 @ 09:10:09     Reply | Top | Edit
jnco1xprez-I talked to AJE the other day and was told the pinto rack kit was $595. it came with bumpsteer kit,rack,and link to hook up to the factory steering shaft.
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Posted By: 95ttoplt1 On: 10-29-2005 @ 11:38:42     Reply | Top | Edit
Hey fred how street friendly do you think that AJE strut frontend is? It looks very light, but also fragile.
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Posted By: Injuneer On: 10-29-2005 @ 13:29:24     Reply | Top | Edit
It certainly doesn't look like its intended for a street car. Going to a "strut" front suspension would be a step backward. That setup is strictly for track use, at least the way it looks. The simple plate that replaces the heavy upper A-arm and spring seat look scarey......



I've never actually seen the AJE stuff in person. To me the PA parts (having seen it come out of the box, and then after it broke) look just as fragile. BMR looks a lot stronger.... but again, that's just from looking at photos of the BMR. I want to see what the Spohn K-member looks like. If its built like the rest of his stuff, it will be OK for the street.
[ Edited on 10/29/2005 @ 13:30:22 ]

Posted By: 95ttoplt1 On: 10-29-2005 @ 14:01:07     Reply | Top | Edit
^ that was the exact piece that had me scared, looks like a piece of rolled tin, I do like the look of that front end though, looks extremely light, I wonder if you could just make a better mount for that?
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Posted By: VanishPoint On: 10-30-2005 @ 23:47:16     Reply | Top | Edit
I have just about everything BMR sells for are cars, and I cant find anything to bitch about. The welds are all as perfect as you can get and their powder coating is very very durable.

As for the K member the only bad thing I can say about it is that I got alot more vibration after the install. At first I thought it was from a the polly bushing and they sent me a new passenger side set for free and the vibe droped alot. But the other day I was changing my oil and I notice the passenger side rear bushing is getting torn apart by the bolt. So Im guessing I might have miss-alighned the K member a little when I installed it.
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Posted By: existenial04 On: 10-31-2005 @ 00:29:12     Reply | Top | Edit
to V8roar...I have no idea why my car sat 3" higher with the front end kit. Others in my car club witnessed it, no one knew why. Maybe just on my car. I know it was a pain in the ass. there was no bind or anything. When normal sportlines were installed, the front still sat higher than the rear, shortened springs fixed most of this but I still want to pull the springs soon and cut a little off them to bring it lower.Seriously, the car looked like it was missing the engine. We sat it next to many stock fbodies and it was average 1 3/4 to 2 3/4" higher than everyone elses. ?
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