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Your title is definitely correct. Good kill BTW. Way to put him in his place.
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Posted By: hurley_21_07 On: 08-06-2005 @ 23:33:58     Reply | Top | Edit

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Only a car length?

Dan
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Posted By: hurley_21_07 On: 08-06-2005 @ 23:35:58     Reply | Top | Edit

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Oooohhh a '95 Hawk.

Dan
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Posted By: GTA91 On: 08-07-2005 @ 00:39:44     Reply | Top | Edit

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Only one I have seen at the track was going 14.3 to my 14.0, nice kill
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94 Z28 M6, Cai, hooker catback, SLP fan switch, Lakewood LCA, Jegster Tq arm.

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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-07-2005 @ 11:14:06     Reply | Top | Edit

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im just glad that no one around here is too into those cars. just WRXs and STi's. good thing you put him in his place
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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 08-07-2005 @ 11:47:07     Reply | Top | Edit

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Good kill!

I totally agree, they are very nice cars, but they do get very overhyped. It's a fast car for an NA V6, but that's it. Put it against any decent V8 (sorry but a stock LT1 is getting to the point where it isn't considered decent anymore, and a stock TPI is just plain slow) or a decently boosted V6 and it just can't compete.

My friend has one and he's one of the few people I met that knows the limitation of the car. He wants to put a Vortech on it because he knows that it needs the boost in order to really compete.

Some of the stories on the 350Z websites are just plain funny.
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Red 2002 Camaro Z28
M6 with Hurst shifter, T-tops, Leather, 12 CD Changer
Ram Air Scoop, SLP Lid, K&N Filter, Smooth Bellow, Borla Exhaust, Dynatech Long Tube Headers, High-Flow Cats, TB bypass; 344 RWHP @ 5350 RPM, and 356 RWTQ @ 4650 RPM; 13.01 @ 109.3 mph with a 2.07 60', best mph 110.7
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Posted By: firehawk357 On: 08-07-2005 @ 20:25:02     Reply | Top | Edit

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Yeah, well one car length against a $33000 performance car that is 10 years newer is pretty impressive in my book. My car only costs about that new when it was bought 10 years ago. So I didn't feel too horribly bad about one car length. That plus my only mediocre launch, and the fact that had I pressed it through 4th and did a whole quarter, i probably would have had at least 2, maybe 3 cars on him.
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Posted By: GTA91 On: 08-07-2005 @ 21:35:24     Reply | Top | Edit

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Well for a street car a stock LT1 is not to bad. Its quicker still then 80% of the cars you run into on the street.
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Posted By: TransAm52804 On: 08-07-2005 @ 22:07:14     Reply | Top | Edit

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*1/4 Mile Best: 13.142 @ 108.96 m.p.h. / 60': 2.158* - *Best MPH: 110.02*
*335.3 RWHP @ 5380 RPM and 345.4 RWTQ @ 4600 RPM - Untuned with minimal mods*

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 08-07-2005 @ 23:02:42     Reply | Top | Edit

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Average sedans are pulling the same hp as stock LT1's and even the new cobalt SS and SRT-4 will hang with one from a roll (and in the 1/4 if well driven). An LT1 is a great starting point with which to build a monster speed machine, but stock they aren't as good as they were 10 years ago. I've owned 2 and have plenty of experience with LT1's. It's not a fact that I like, but it's still a fact. Besides, it doesn't matter if it is faster than 80% of the cars on the road, unless those 80% that it beats are also racing. I would rather be faster than 50% of the cars that I'll actually race, rather than 80% of the cars that will never race (and in most cases I wouldn't even want to race). Maybe I'm just ruined by the fact that most of the cars around here are retardly fast.
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Dyno Results: 323RWHP @ 6300RPM, 303RWTQ @ 4600RPM, Best of a 12.83 @ 106.6 mph

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Posted By: GTA91 On: 08-08-2005 @ 01:15:01     Reply | Top | Edit

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I spent last friday at the track putting two of those neons in there place. What avarge sedan is running 14 flat? I have not seen to many sedans pushing 275 to 300 hp.
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94 Z28 M6, Cai, hooker catback, SLP fan switch, Lakewood LCA, Jegster Tq arm.

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 08-08-2005 @ 07:42:59     Reply | Top | Edit

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The Acura TL makes 270 hp. Also, the 1999-2004 mustang gt which everyone makes fun of for being slow, is just as fast as an average stock LT1. I'd say I only win about 50% of my races around here. Even the ones I do win are not by much. If I tried to do it with a stock LT1 I think I'd win one out of 10 maybe. I'm sorry, but I just don't consider a stock LT1 to be fast.
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Red 2002 Camaro Z28
M6 with Hurst shifter, T-tops, Leather, 12 CD Changer
Ram Air Scoop, SLP Lid, K&N Filter, Smooth Bellow, Borla Exhaust, Dynatech Long Tube Headers, High-Flow Cats, TB bypass; 344 RWHP @ 5350 RPM, and 356 RWTQ @ 4650 RPM; 13.01 @ 109.3 mph with a 2.07 60', best mph 110.7

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 08-08-2005 @ 07:48:25     Reply | Top | Edit

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Also, if we are talking about pure motor to motor, stock for stock, the 275-285 hp is not too impressive for a V8. Alot of NA V6's are closing in on that now. It's just the way technology works. Things get better. 245 hp TPI's were considered awesome back in the day, but not anymore. Someday the LS2 will probably be considered slow in comparison. That's what the aftermarket if for.
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Red 2002 Camaro Z28
M6 with Hurst shifter, T-tops, Leather, 12 CD Changer
Ram Air Scoop, SLP Lid, K&N Filter, Smooth Bellow, Borla Exhaust, Dynatech Long Tube Headers, High-Flow Cats, TB bypass; 344 RWHP @ 5350 RPM, and 356 RWTQ @ 4650 RPM; 13.01 @ 109.3 mph with a 2.07 60', best mph 110.7

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Posted By: firehawk357 On: 08-08-2005 @ 12:57:49     Reply | Top | Edit

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Yeah, I agree. You can't expect an engine to be dominant for more then 5 to 6 years. Hence the reason why a new one is needed every 5 to 6 years. You can't just build an awesome engine and just think it will always hold the cards. Someone is going to gun for it and will beat it.
However, I disagree, the LT1 is still a great engine. True, NA V6s are approaching, but for the most part, they still got a little to go before I start worrying about that NA 6 pulling up beside me.
I say I win 85% of my races, and I race anything and everything that wants to run. Mostly 5.0s and GTs, which usually don't put up too much of a fight, the occasional vette, I can beat a c4, get edged out by a c5. I've beat 350Zs, obviously, S2000s, I've taken down an STI from a dig to 100. He didn't drop it from an insanely high RPM and didn't have that turbo spinning, didn't use the all-wheel, and I pulled pretty bad on the first part, but I don't think he ever really reeled me in. A VR-4 went down from a roll. SRT-4 and Cobalt SS and of course a lot of ricers.
Now, I've lost to a lingenfelter 383 camaro, destroyed is more like it. I've lost to a Z06 and C5 vette. A Viper killed me bad one day. An SVT took me down too.
So all in all, I don't think the LT1 is doing too terribly bad. Especially 10 years down the line. I don't think 300HP is bad for a V8 at all, i don't think it's good, but that's around roughly where I'd expect a SB to dyno in at. Just my opinion though.
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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-08-2005 @ 16:26:10     Reply | Top | Edit

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for comparison reasons... im going to go through page by page of my september 2005 car and driver and list the cars that have about the same power as a stock LT1 (or at least about the same speed [IE low hp, but no weight cars]). just for a quick reality check.

Lexus IS350 = 310 horses (NA 3.5L V6)
Mercedes S500 = 382 horses (5.5L V8)
Mercedes S600 = 510 horses (5.5L V12)
Porsche 911 Carrera 4 = 321 horses (NA 3.6L V6)
Porsche 911 Carrera 4S = 350 horses (NA 3.8L V6)
BMW M3 = 333 horses (NA 3.2L V6)
Audi RS4 = 414 horses (NA 4.1L V8)
Acura RSX = 210 horses (NA 2.0L I4)
Chevy Cobalt SS = 205 horses (2.0L I4)
Ion Redline = 205 horses (2.0L I4)
Dodge SRT-4 = 230 horses (2.4L I4)
Subaru WRX = 227 horses (2.0L I4)
Mazda RX8 = 238 horses (NA 1.3L rotary)
Nissan Altima SE-R = 260 horses (NA 3.5L V6)
Dodge Magnum = 340 horses (NA 5.7L V8)
Subaru FORESTER 2.5XT = 230 horses (2.5L I4)
BMW 750i = 360 horses (NA 4.8L V8)


those are only some of the cars. and just about every one of those would beat and/or hang with a LT1. i would guess that maybe 3 cars with a story in the magazine would lose to a stock LT1.

LT1's are decent engines and a good platform to start... but by no means considered fast for a V8 anymore. not only that but a lot of them are turning into dogs the past few years due to age. hell the best i could get out of my basically stock LT1 was a 14.292 @ 96.7 mph with a 2.0X 60'. i was driving it to the limit. the thing was just ready to die. yeah there are some factory freaks that will run in the 13's... but most stock ones now still run low to mid 14's.

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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: GTA91 On: 08-08-2005 @ 17:21:18     Reply | Top | Edit

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Acura RSX = 210 horses (NA 2.0L I4)
Nissan Altima SE-R = 260 horses (NA 3.5L V6)
Subaru FORESTER 2.5XT = 230 horses (2.5L I4)
Nissan Altima SE-R = 260 horses (NA 3.5L V6)
NONE of these cars stand a chance at taking a LT1. Yes the HP maybe close but the TQ does not even touch it. Heck LT1 tq is about the same as your perfect LS1!
Why would you list these cars? RSM said avrage sedans i don't feel those cars are avarge by any means.
Lexus IS350 = 310 horses (NA 3.5L V6)
Mercedes S500 = 382 horses (5.5L V8)
Mercedes S600 = 510 horses (5.5L V12)
Porsche 911 Carrera 4 = 321 horses (NA 3.6L V6)
Porsche 911 Carrera 4S = 350 horses (NA 3.8L V6)
BMW M3 = 333 horses (NA 3.2L V6)
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94 Z28 M6, Cai, hooker catback, SLP fan switch, Lakewood LCA, Jegster Tq arm.

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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-08-2005 @ 17:58:16     Reply | Top | Edit

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fine... how about the new hyundia... it makes 235 horses with only 3.3L... a HYUNDIA! that thing will keep up with a GTP!


if you want me to post 1/4 mile times listed what editors ran in the magazine i surely will. but if i do ill have to also post what they ran with stock LT1's for equality reasons. yes it is not good to race from magazine articles... but we all know they cant drive if their life depended on it. so in a sense all these cars are faster then their listed time.

RSX ~14.7
altima SE (not even the SE-R) has run in magazines a 13.99... yes, a 13.99!
forester is a bit heavier then the outback... and the outback makes 250 horses instead of 230. the forester still ran a 14.3
and from there on, the Lexus through the porsches... the LT1 loses. granted they are all more $$$... they are still family sedans (some of them) that you haul your kids in.

you have to also keep in mind that no one said these V6's are more powerful then the LT1. im just trying to prove a point that NA V6's are coming close to LT1 territory. some have surpassed it by a good 75 horses (porsche 3.8L).
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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 08-08-2005 @ 18:38:34     Reply | Top | Edit

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Also, the word decent is used as an opinion. I meant that I didn't consider a stock LT1 to be a great performer in stock form by today's standards. That doesn't mean that someone else has to agree.

Also, most of my races are from a roll, and there are ALOT of cars that will get beat by an LT1 in the 1/4, but will hang with it or pull on it from a roll.

Like I said, I'm only talking strictly stock form. There is a ton of potential that can be unlocked with simple bolt-ons (I've seen over 300 rwhp NA with no internal mods). However, from the factory it didn't come with those things.

And firehawk357, a firehawk was a bit better than a stock LT1 (315 hp I believe), and with your basic mods you could have gained another 10-15 easy.

If you want to talk about 1/4 mile then MOST LT1's run 14.0-14.4 stock. There are a lot of cars that will run that nowadays. And a bunch will trap the same or better but with a slower ET.

No one said the LS1 is perfect. If it was then Chevy wouldn't need the LS6, LS2, LS7, or whatever else they are planning for the future.

I'm not trying to make anyone mad, just stating my opinion. Like firehawk357 said, an engine can't be king forever, they are always making something better. That's why we mod our cars
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Red 2002 Camaro Z28
M6 with Hurst shifter, T-tops, Leather, 12 CD Changer
Ram Air Scoop, SLP Lid, K&N Filter, Smooth Bellow, Borla Exhaust, Dynatech Long Tube Headers, High-Flow Cats, TB bypass; 344 RWHP @ 5350 RPM, and 356 RWTQ @ 4650 RPM; 13.01 @ 109.3 mph with a 2.07 60', best mph 110.7
[ Edited on 08/08/2005 @ 18:41:48 ]
[ Edited on 08/08/2005 @ 18:43:18 ]

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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-08-2005 @ 18:58:11     Reply | Top | Edit

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actually a lot of the time the cars that run about the same as the LT1 end up getting the same ET... but have a lesser mph. i guess a lot of them are AWD cars that cant help it but have a low trap. hell my friend with a GSX ran a 13.3 @ 97.7 or something. thats one hell of a driver. though he would stomp a stock LT1 in a 1/4 mile... a half mile race would be the other way around.
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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: GTA91 On: 08-08-2005 @ 19:53:48     Reply | Top | Edit

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your freinds car is not stock, no fucking way would a GSX pull that kind of time stock. It also does not take one hell of a driver to launch a AWD car.
As far as a altima SE going 13.99, that is complete BS, the car uses the 350Z motor and the best i have seen them do is low 14s. I could not find the weight of the altima and I forgot to make sure if its FWD but i'm pretty sure it is. So adding into the fact its FWD losing traction out of the hole the only way I see a altima going 13.99 stock is with slicks.
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94 Z28 M6, Cai, hooker catback, SLP fan switch, Lakewood LCA, Jegster Tq arm.

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Posted By: firehawk357 On: 08-08-2005 @ 20:06:14     Reply | Top | Edit

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I guess your right, mine isn't a good list to start off with. Namely because it's a driver's race me against a stock LS1. I know I'm going to get all kind of hatred for this, but the reason I saw this is simple. I've raced some LS1s and BARELY edged them out, and I've lost to some LS1s. It helps that I've got 275s on the rear.

Acura RSX = 210 horses (NA 2.0L I4)
Chevy Cobalt SS = 205 horses (2.0L I4)
Ion Redline = 205 horses (2.0L I4)
Dodge SRT-4 = 230 horses (2.4L I4)
Subaru WRX = 227 horses (2.0L I4)
Mazda RX8 = 238 horses (NA 1.3L rotary)
Subaru FORESTER 2.5XT = 230 horses (2.5L I4)

I don't see this things having a chance against an LT1. Drove my friend's RSX, it had a little zip, but an LT1 would probably crush it.

Cobalt SS and ION redline I will lump together because I've driven a redline for 3 months and truthfully, I was disappointed. I was hoping it had more and I wouldn't have even pitted it against a stock 3rd gen for the most part (as fast as my 82 camaro, stock).

SRT-4 - I think this situation has been covered pretty well, stock configuration, it's okay, but if you mess with the boost, you can foreseeable take an LT1

WRX - Still, very peaky powerband, and it's quick and I like my friend's dad's WRX but still, he says he wouldn't race a stock bird.

RX-8 - Another car with no torque and a peaky powerband. I would put money on the LT1 every time.

Forrester, are you kidding me?! Are you just putting everything up here that has 200hp? This isn't a fast car, I don't even think it was meant to be. There's an STI version coming out in Japan (265 horses) but due to the turbo needing to wind up and the similar curb weight, I just don't see it beating an LT1. MAYBE hang with it, but I'd still put my money on the LT1.

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Posted By: TransAm52804 On: 08-08-2005 @ 22:49:09     Reply | Top | Edit

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Actually the new Hyundai doesn't even touch a GTP. Sure the HP is close, but so what. A lot has to do with weight, torque, gearing, tranny, etc.

And FYI, the new Hyundai still runs like high 15's. So no, HP doesn't mean jack shit in some cases.
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*1/4 Mile Best: 13.142 @ 108.96 m.p.h. / 60': 2.158* - *Best MPH: 110.02*
*335.3 RWHP @ 5380 RPM and 345.4 RWTQ @ 4600 RPM - Untuned with minimal mods*

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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-09-2005 @ 18:05:16     Reply | Top | Edit

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you guys arent getting it. even IF these cars lost to a LT1... the fact that they would HANG with one is sad. now that forester DID run a 14.3 in the magazine and i know the outback has more power. and these cars im listing DO have torque as well. they arent hondas by any means (well, except for the honda) and all have over 200 torque if i remember correctly. and all this turbo lag stuff is more irrelevant than you would think. MOST turbos these days are at full spool by 3000 to 3300 rpm. if ANYONE with a 4 pisser is "racing" below that mark... then they are truely a moron. do any of you race below 3000? i didnt think so. if they race from a roll... someone who knows anything about turbos will make sure they are at about 3500 to 4000 (i dont care what car it is... any turbo car other then a TD). they also make sure they are at half throttle so the turbos are halfway spooled rather then going from a no throttle "go" from 4000. if they are going from off the line... the drivetrain has more to do with the race then the fact that it's a turbo car. ill race anyone here from a light and be right beside you or beat you... even though i have a turbo (hell, TWO of which i need to spool up).


and no the GSX isnt stock. everything is moddified. it's actually a full race engine with race transmission... BUT... he has the stock turbo in it which is poop. if he even slightly upgraded the turbo a whole second would be shed.

and the altima... ill try to find the issue... im pretty sure it's in big letters on the front cover
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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 08-09-2005 @ 18:30:44     Reply | Top | Edit

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Yeah, I do have to agree that the difference between a 14.0 and a 14.3 is close enough so that the 14.3 car hung with it. A good solid beating doesn't really happen until 1/2 second difference between the 2 cars.
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Red 2002 Camaro Z28
M6 with Hurst shifter, T-tops, Leather, 12 CD Changer
Ram Air Scoop, SLP Lid, K&N Filter, Smooth Bellow, Borla Exhaust, Dynatech Long Tube Headers, High-Flow Cats, TB bypass; 344 RWHP @ 5350 RPM, and 356 RWTQ @ 4650 RPM; 13.01 @ 109.3 mph with a 2.07 60', best mph 110.7

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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-09-2005 @ 18:44:57     Reply | Top | Edit

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^depending on how fast the car is. a 17.0 to a 17.5 is very small. a 11.5 to a 12.0 is bigger.


and i bet you ANYTHING these magazines do not launch any AWD car right. their 0-30 times are still within that of trucks and other cars.
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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: GTA91 On: 08-09-2005 @ 19:11:14     Reply | Top | Edit

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I'd kill myself if i had a "full race" motor going 13s. You can a LT1 sad but your Force fed car with mods is only slightly faster.
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94 Z28 M6, Cai, hooker catback, SLP fan switch, Lakewood LCA, Jegster Tq arm.

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 08-09-2005 @ 21:50:36     Reply | Top | Edit

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Yeah, from what I heard, a moderately modified one would run 13's, never mind one with a "full race engine". Sounds slow for what he has. Why the hell would he spend all that on the motor and not upgrade the turbo?
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Red 2002 Camaro Z28
M6 with Hurst shifter, T-tops, Leather, 12 CD Changer
Ram Air Scoop, SLP Lid, K&N Filter, Smooth Bellow, Borla Exhaust, Dynatech Long Tube Headers, High-Flow Cats, TB bypass; 344 RWHP @ 5350 RPM, and 356 RWTQ @ 4650 RPM; 13.01 @ 109.3 mph with a 2.07 60', best mph 110.7

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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-10-2005 @ 07:28:54     Reply | Top | Edit

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he never told me what exactly a "race motor" consisted of. all i know is it was pretty quick and he could launch that thing to 1.6's. i remember racing him in a 5.0 with a AOD that also ran 13.3 @ 103. from a stop that stang was pretty quick, but that GSX JUMPED off the line. the wheel gap in the front wheel must have been a good 10". i remember thinking the car was going to take off cuz i was furthest away from the car and i felt like the car was the size of a truck beside us. anyway, we reeled him in up top.


and he actually did buy a turbo. cant remember if it was a t03/t04 or if it was just a t04. but then he needed to get a new exhaust manifold, etc etc and he just never got around to it. then he decided it wouldnt be worth it and just bought a blue STi.
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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 08-10-2005 @ 07:50:25     Reply | Top | Edit

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Good choice, sounds like the STI would be faster than his old car right out of the box.
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Red 2002 Camaro Z28
M6 with Hurst shifter, T-tops, Leather, 12 CD Changer
Ram Air Scoop, SLP Lid, K&N Filter, Smooth Bellow, Borla Exhaust, Dynatech Long Tube Headers, High-Flow Cats, TB bypass; 344 RWHP @ 5350 RPM, and 356 RWTQ @ 4650 RPM; 13.01 @ 109.3 mph with a 2.07 60', best mph 110.7

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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-10-2005 @ 19:05:52     Reply | Top | Edit

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more power... probably could run a better time as well. but who knows how long it will last before something breaks.


i guess the 06 or 07 (a new body style that looks like the B9) STi is supposed to have some tranny almost as strong as the "bulldog" or something like that. i guess you can beat on it to all hell and it wont break. it's supposed to be the same transmission they have in the rally cars. sounds like a blast
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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: firehawk357 On: 08-10-2005 @ 19:59:29     Reply | Top | Edit

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I've heard those STi's are just problems in and out though. Mainly drivetrain, and it sounds like they started taking care of that, but also just all kinds of other problems. Happens when you try to put nearly 20bs of PSI through. Also, the car has only been out for a year or two, and the thing is already showing major problems. That's just what I've heard.
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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-10-2005 @ 22:02:09     Reply | Top | Edit

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they show major problems because people buy them for one reason... to go fast. every single one is beat on in some way or another. if they were driven by grandma and grandpa... they would be bullet proof and would last a million trillion miles before a rebuild.


and again, 20 psi doesnt mean anything. i can get 20 psi out of an audi 1.8T turbo and only be making 180 horses... or i can be getting 20 psi out of a powerstroke diesel turbo and be blowing rods left and right. but yes, turbos do damage engines moreso then NA cars
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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: GTA91 On: 08-12-2005 @ 00:40:48     Reply | Top | Edit

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I have seen a shit load of old ppl driving STi. Hell i have pulled up to at least 10 in the past 2 months and not a single one of them wanted to race.
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94 Z28 M6, Cai, hooker catback, SLP fan switch, Lakewood LCA, Jegster Tq arm.

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Posted By: 17andCrazy On: 08-12-2005 @ 17:38:01     Reply | Top | Edit

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why the hell would they buy it if they didnt want to go fast? must be the same reason there are single person commuters in excursions and expeditions
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1991 Dodge Stealth RT/TT, 3700 lbs, ~365 horses
http://www.cardomain.com/id/93lt1
13.76 @ 104.7 on Mr. Dyno with 2.08 60'... getting better... 0-60 in 5.12 seconds

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Posted By: GTA91 On: 08-13-2005 @ 00:34:34     Reply | Top | Edit

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I have seen plenty of "fast" cars with ppl driving them that didn't want to go fast, fbodys, 3000GTs, evos, sti, vettes, you name it someone is going to buy them for the way they look and not the fact they are fast. I have a aunt that buys a new sports car every 2 years and buys the best models just so she has the best. She is 81 so its damn sure not to go fast!
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94 Z28 M6, Cai, hooker catback, SLP fan switch, Lakewood LCA, Jegster Tq arm.

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