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Change your homepage. Posted By: BigMike On: 07-03-2008 @ 00:00:17 Reply | Edit Just a friendly suggestion, I think everyone should change their homepage to... www.bbc.co.uk That is all. Carry on.  -- 
--Mike Posted By: PongoX11 
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I love the Prime Ministers Questions as much as the next guy... but why chance the homepage?!  -- Former ride: 531RWHP/477RWTQ 
 Posted By: BigMike On: 07-03-2008 @ 00:09:58 Reply | Top | Edit Well, it's my homepage... which should be a good enough reason for it to be your homepage, lol. In all seriousness visiting the site regularly should slightly change your perspective on world events and significance. Just another news source to throw in there to help gain a more full view of the truth (since we all know you can't get the objective truth from just one source.) I like browsing the site, and maybe some of you do/would too. --
--Mike Posted By: TransAm64 On: 07-03-2008 @ 00:35:37 Reply | Top | Edit Wow, another british fan wanting to show his point. I respect that....I really do, but lets keep U.S. relations and points that effect us, here , on our soil, to our own interests. How does some Canadian, European, etc, posting propaghanda help ME? Jeez......get a hobby. I know the web is worldwide, I know you have a point.......but considering that the server that this site is owned and operated resides in the U.S......I find it respectful to at least engage in this type of discussion on a public, well financed forum. Have some respect. -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon.  Posted By: Jeremiah On: 07-03-2008 @ 00:44:50 Reply | Top | Edit  whatever you say. I'll take my news from CNN before I take it from the bbc.-- 2005 GMC 1500HD 6.0L, 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix 1991 Camaro - 24 Hours of LeMons race car. Pics: http://72.167.14.32/~jeremiah/24hoursoflemons/ 
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." Posted By: TransAm64 On: 07-03-2008 @ 00:49:26 Reply | Top | Edit  -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. Posted By: IwannaFirebird On: 07-03-2008 @ 06:45:34 Reply | Top | Edit This is one of the reasons I hope I survive the collapse of society as we know it. It'll be nice and quiet once the media is completely destroyed. --  Posted By: cmerc On: 07-03-2008 @ 06:58:38 Reply | Top | Edit I do scan BBC regularly, but I not totaly sure BigMike is not being factious. I hate the Al-Jezerra of the west as CNN is refered to by many Military big wigs. --  Posted By: jjdynomite
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tube8 is my homepage --  Posted By: cmerc On: 07-03-2008 @ 10:03:34 Reply | Top | Edit ^  bet thats porn -- Posted By: jjdynomite
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^ I bet your right -- Posted By: stevethepirate On: 07-03-2008 @ 15:12:35 Reply | Top | Edit i read BBC... I also read "corriere della sera", and other european newspapers a lot. just a different viewpoint for a change. As I said in the other thread... these days, the only way to get unbiased information is by collecting a bunch of different bias information. -- 
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2048599 Posted By: BigMike On: 07-03-2008 @ 15:52:31 Reply | Top | Edit Thanks for backing me up Steve. It seems like a simple concept, yet these monkeys somehow can't grasp it, lol. I guess if it isn't Shotgun News or Nascar Weekly nobody wants to read it. 
Lol, ok that last one may have been a cheap shot, but I'm being serious about stepping outside your comfort zone and reading about world events from a point of view that does not stem directly from Papa Bear O'Reilly. Just try it for a week before you write the idea off... scan a few different foreign news sites, maybe even read the same stories from different sources. It's good for you brain, mind, and head. --
--Mike Posted By: assbreeze On: 07-03-2008 @ 16:12:46 Reply | Top | Edit Actually, reading slighted propaganda and biased media isn't good for your brain, mind, and head at all...no matter which side it is. It's probably the worst thing for you. All it does is fuel the spreading of more ignorance, as people will read that crap (again, either side,) not realize there's motivation behind reports, and spread the shit like it's gospel, now thinking that they know what they're talking about. The best thing you can do for your mind? Avoid mainstream media completely and read a fiction novel, or go kill some whores in GTA4. At least it's blatantly obvious that shit isn't real. -- '98 Firebird Formula http://members.cardomain.com/tailwind Posted By: BigMike On: 07-03-2008 @ 16:20:25 Reply | Top | Edit Edit: nvm. -- --Mike [ Edited on 07/03/2008 @ 16:24:38 ] Posted By: stevethepirate On: 07-03-2008 @ 16:25:30 Reply | Top | Edit Breeze, I don't necessarily agree with that. I do agree that people ACCEPTING biased media is bad, but I do not think that simply reading it is. By now, we [should] understand that 99.9% of the media is spinning stories in an effort to promote an ulterior agenda. If anyone doesn't agree with this, I have some great texts that I will gladly mail to you to read. After understanding that even if something coincides with your personal beliefs, it is most likely biased, you can take a few steps to find the truth, or at least something close to it. The first is by doing some minor investigation. - When reading an article, do some background research on the author. Find out who they are employed by. Are they a member of any organizations? - When reading about a survey that gives "proof" for a point, find out about the survey! How many people were surveyed? Was it a phone survey that was conducted during the day, at night, etc? How was the question worded? Did it include any buzz words? How were the findings reported? did they omit portions of the question when telling of the results? The other thing that you can do, that I briefly hinted at in my last post, is to look for stuff that does NOT coincide with your personal beliefs. How do other people feel about the situation at hand? The only way to beat your enemy is to KNOW your enemy!! By collecting different viewpoints, you will be slowly but surely collecting minor details of the issue. These details can then be pieced together to formulate the whole truth! I wasn't even kidding when I said that I have texts that I will send out to anyone who is interested about this stuff. I have 3 or 4 books that I had to buy for my "Media and politics" class last semester that they were not buying back.. so I decided to just add them to the educational book collection that I am working on. --
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2048599 Posted By: assbreeze On: 07-03-2008 @ 16:26:53 Reply | Top | Edit Idealistic bullshit, expecting that people will be able to sift through 99% of the crap that is the mainstream media to pick out the little bits of truth and form an educated opinion. When was the last time you met somebody in person who was intelligently informed on the subject of politics? There's a reason most workplaces bar discussion of religion and politics, it's because people are fucking idiots. The best thing is to avoid it completely. You come off as less of an idiot that way. -- '98 Firebird Formula http://members.cardomain.com/tailwind [ Edited on 07/03/2008 @ 16:28:57 ] Posted By: Tyrel On: 07-03-2008 @ 17:06:13 Reply | Top | Edit Want to hear something really weird. I listen to Foxnews on sirius for the same reasons you guys check the BBC. I like to get a good look at everything from all the angles. it may strike you as odd, but i find Fox news is pretty decent. --  Posted By: Jeremiah On: 07-03-2008 @ 17:52:35 Reply | Top | Edit I like Fox as well. They actually have reporters on both sides and they hash it out with their own ideas. The other major media sources MIGHT have one or two conservatives that they SOMETIMES let on the air. -- 2005 GMC 1500HD 6.0L, 2006 Pontiac Grand Prix 1991 Camaro - 24 Hours of LeMons race car. Pics: http://72.167.14.32/~jeremiah/24hoursoflemons/
"Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." Posted By: assbreeze On: 07-03-2008 @ 18:19:19 Reply | Top | Edit Fox is pretty biased toward the right. -- '98 Firebird Formula http://members.cardomain.com/tailwind Posted By: Tyrel On: 07-03-2008 @ 18:23:32 Reply | Top | Edit "Fox is pretty biased toward the right." Ya know i would have agreed with you about 6 months ago, but after listening on a regular basis i will have to disagree. I think the perception that Fox is so far right is due to the fact that every other major news outlet usually leans left. I do like how Fox gives everyone a chance to say their piece. At least on the radio, i don't have the TV station. In Canada, our media has pretty much set up camp on the leftist party of leftingtonville. So balance is needed. just my 2 cents. -- Posted By: assbreeze On: 07-03-2008 @ 18:28:03 Reply | Top | Edit They may be more willing to let some opposing stuff fly than the other networks, but that doesn't change the overall view. There are no real unbiased major networks out there. -- '98 Firebird Formula http://members.cardomain.com/tailwind Posted By: Tyrel On: 07-03-2008 @ 18:33:48 Reply | Top | Edit true. sadly true. -- Posted By: stevethepirate On: 07-03-2008 @ 19:04:32 Reply | Top | Edit Fox does some stupid stuff, but no more than other outlets. just the way of life. Steve- Yes, that is definitely idealistic thinking that I posted. I happen to have a sister who was a Diplomacy and World Affairs major, my parents are political aficionados, and I am an International Relations major.... so a lot of the people I hang out with are fairly intelligent/able to discuss politics. I would love to live in a society in which everyone had the ability to intelligently discuss this stuff. Unfortunately, thats not easy to find. --
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2048599 Posted By: assbreeze On: 07-03-2008 @ 19:13:50 Reply | Top | Edit I wouldn't be surprised if the "intelligent" people you discuss politics with were extremely biased. Look at college professors, as an example. Aren't your parents heavily European? I find it hard to believe they're looking at both sides the same way if that's the case. -- '98 Firebird Formula http://members.cardomain.com/tailwind [ Edited on 07/03/2008 @ 19:14:47 ] Posted By: stevethepirate On: 07-03-2008 @ 20:18:40 Reply | Top | Edit The intelligent people I speak of are fellow international relations scholars. Many are republicans, many are democrats. I have only had one [political science] professor who made her opinion known. All of the others will go back and forth from one day to the next, just so that people can't tell. And yes, my parents are both very european. However, my mom grew up in poor upstate NY, with a steel worker dad. My dad graduated summa cum laude from georgetown, so I get two interesting opinions. They are both democrats, but that just provides for some good dinner time discussions! Intelligent does not mean unbiased, it means having the knowledge to support your bias! --
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2048599 Posted By: deadly_z28 On: 07-04-2008 @ 00:53:37 Reply | Top | Edit fox ftw Posted By: assbreeze On: 07-04-2008 @ 02:12:35 Reply | Top | Edit Steve, I don't mean any offense by this, but your parents strike me as those who try to put off an aura like they're unbiased, but they're really not. I've met a million people like that. There's hardly any impartial "scholars" or professors out there, too. They may have that label, but again, I'm not so easily convinced. -- '98 Firebird Formula http://members.cardomain.com/tailwind Posted By: 2piececrank On: 07-04-2008 @ 02:21:21 Reply | Top | Edit First off: I don't mean any offense by this I never thought I would read that. Second: You are fairly correct on your scholars and professors. There are a lot that are biased, but a good deal of them that I have run across have managed to not let it get in the way of their work. For example, my Enviromental Sci prof was pretty clearly to the left, but she ran her class in an objective manner. She would bring up the facts and let the students decide, and wouldn't weigh in herself except from a technical standpoint. She also stopped any political debate as soon as it started. A student started an anti-Bush rant in the middle of a presentation and she was quickly cut off with a "Those points are not relevant to the subject at hand and this is not a politcal science class." -- 
1989 Silverado 4x4, 355cid, RV cam, 160 thermostat, Vortec Heads, Stainless Exhaust, Hypertech Chip 1980 T-top Camaro, In the works: 355 cid race prepped block, Eagle crank and SIR rods and KB flattop pistons, Weiand heads, TH350 http://www.cardomain.com/id/2piececrank Posted By: assbreeze On: 07-04-2008 @ 02:33:19 Reply | Top | Edit Work and discussion are two different things. -- '98 Firebird Formula http://members.cardomain.com/tailwind Posted By: stevethepirate On: 07-04-2008 @ 09:40:14 Reply | Top | Edit Steve, read the last sentence in my last post. There is nothing wrong with being biased! It is only natural for someone to have an opinion that leans to one side of an issue. My parents know that they have a fairly strong bias. The thing is, both of them are smart enough, and well informed enough, to have intelligent political discussions. That is the key, being able to support what you believe. And as for professors... I'm sure that my professors are not impartial, and have a strong opinion about what they are teaching. The thing is, they really do a good job of omitting said bias. I had one teacher who freaked out when I said that the reason for the internet being anti Hillary was basic economics, not a huge hillary customer base (85 year old women, as I put it) online. She cut me off at that. She also had us watch The Control Room, which I really did not enjoy. Other than this one lady, my teachers stay fairly impartial. My advisor (smartest person I have ever talked to/seen speak/read his work) will change his bias from day to day. He always makes sure to chuckle after making a biased comment, just to make sure we know he is joking. But he will go back and forth between supporting Bush, Obama, McCain, and his favorite to laugh about is probably Ron Paul... There are some crazy statistics about which way professors voted in 2004, and how they identify themselves. It is just the same as which way college students will be voting in this election. There is no disputing the fact that the college environment in general, leans to the left. Most of the people that I know who are liberals are more than smart enough to back up their beliefs. Yes, there are some blind supporters, but no more than the blind conservatives. --
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2048599 Posted By: assbreeze On: 07-05-2008 @ 00:00:20 Reply | Top | Edit The fact that you just said "there's nothing wrong with being biased" makes me not even want to read the rest of your response. Sorry. -- '98 Firebird Formula http://members.cardomain.com/tailwind Posted By: wildcatkit52
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All I got from this thread is, "Shotgun News and NASCAR"... What else was it you guys talked about??? Ah well... -- 92 RS 5 speed. New stereo, 02 BLK leather SS seats and new springs Shocks/struts. Hood, engine, paint, wheels, SFC's, other stuff to follow... 89 Suburban 4X4 90 S10 Blazer 4X4 02 GSXR1000 160-165hp at the wheel 86 Honda 250R with 310 BigBore kit drag bike http://members.cardomain.com/wildcatkit_52  Posted By: pawn65 On: 07-05-2008 @ 02:19:20 Reply | Top | Edit you want to read some crazy stuff read george washingtons last public address that was in a newspaper and see what it talks about not doing which we do today. -- 2000 Zinc Yellow Mustang GT "Spring Feature" 1 of 917. 
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