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so im a racist... Posted By: fastcop On: 01-03-2008 @ 01:08:30 Reply | Edit funny story when i think back. here's how it started. im bored at home, so i decide to jump in the truck and go to the store for a drink and a bag of chips. i get to the store, and i walk through the isles looking for something to snack on. as im standing there, i hear this guy say, "look and that bullsh*t". at the time i didnt know he was referring to me. so i continue shopping. as im checking out, i hear the same voice voice same something like, "i bet his ass wont wear sh*t up north. i then realize he's talking about my shirt. here's the one im wearing: 
i kinda laugh to myself, and finish checking out. when i get outside, this guy bob marley looking guy) confronts me as im get to my truck and ask me what my shirt means. i tell him i dont have to educate him, and i continue getting in the truck. well this dumbass decides to grab my door, so i grab my glock and back him away from my truck. then his friends come out and begs me not to shoot him. honestly, i was glad the grabbed him, because i though i was gonna get rushed by 4 guys. he gets on the other side of their car, then starts calling me all kinds of racist crap. i just looked at him and grinned. then the cops show up, 3 of them. they ask everyone in the parking lot and the store what happened. when everything was said and done, the guy was arrested for and outstanding warrant, and i went home and ate my chips. i guess my point is that its funny when people get offended at the site of a confederate flag on a shirt that is in no way offensive. --  Posted By: datzneat On: 10-26-2007 @ 01:13:24 Reply | Top | Edit I don't agree with the message of the shirt but i'm an individualist so I think you should wear whatever the hell you want. That guy probably has some issues he needs work out. --  Posted By: ChimpysZ28 On: 10-26-2007 @ 01:32:30 Reply | Top | Edit well i am black and to me going ape shit about a shirt is completely retarded more a flag. i mean come on its just a flag. --  Posted By: fastcop On: 10-26-2007 @ 01:38:43 Reply | Top | Edit wait, chimpy is black?  j/k. i would have understood the guy getting mad if the shirt actually said something derogatory, but it didnt. -- Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-26-2007 @ 01:48:05 Reply | Top | Edit psssst... you lost the war.....  --  "My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel [ Edited on 10/26/2007 @ 01:48:24 ] Posted By: ChimpysZ28 On: 10-26-2007 @ 01:48:54 Reply | Top | Edit Its still ridiculous. Shirts pretty cool looking if you ask me. People are always over reacting over that flag and its getting old. -- Posted By: fastcop On: 10-26-2007 @ 01:56:01 Reply | Top | Edit tyrel, i didnt lose anything. but im prould of my southern heritage. -- Posted By: crunkmaro 
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that shirts pretty cool...hell i'd wear it lol. maybe if it had a bulldog on it :-) -- Posted By: fastcop On: 10-26-2007 @ 02:12:04 Reply | Top | Edit lol@ crunk. my friend bought the shirt for me since i had one that looked like the one on the shirt. -- Posted By: Rynb15
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I bet that guy shit his pants when you pulled your gun, lol -- Sold 
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1998 Trans Am - A little bit stock 1979 Bandit Trans Am - Coming to life soon PatriotDream.org - Help build a soldier's dream car Posted By: jumper297 On: 10-26-2007 @ 09:47:48 Reply | Top | Edit I think the shirt is idiotic and that most people have no idea what that flag actually represents. However you cut it there is a racist aspect to it even though it many not be meant that way. But... its as much your right to wear it as the morons who wear the Che shirts around on college campuses having no idea what the hell it means. -- 95 Formula 1 of 7,448 
"Life is too short to drive a slow car." Posted By: 2piececrank On: 10-26-2007 @ 10:19:25 Reply | Top | Edit The confederate flag is a lot more than just slavery. While that was the key component to the Civil War, it was state rights vs. federal law. It wasn't that they wanted nothing to do with the US so much as they didn't want to be involved in a federal government that was superseding their individual state laws. I remember going out for a late night bowl in one of the inner city bowling alleys some years ago with some friends. It was a last minute thing, and when we got out of the car, we realized that my friend was wearing his Hank Williams Jr shirt. Not normally a problem, but the screaming chicken looking symbol was made out of a confederate flag, so we debated whether or not to go in and possibly have some similar sh!t happen or just leave. We stayed and didn't have a single problem. Next time jay, just wear this shirt:  -- 
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Sorry. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles  Posted By: crunkmaro
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whats che? lol -- Posted By: maxwax On: 10-27-2007 @ 07:54:58 Reply | Top | Edit Harlan , dont apologise, you cant help if if you dont understand somthing! -- Posted By: cmerc On: 10-27-2007 @ 09:30:07 Reply | Top | Edit wait Harlan don't understand something? run and hide everyone, the end of the world is at hand, there is a crack in the fabric of time, and it not even 2012, the Myans were wrong. -- Posted By: jumper297 On: 10-27-2007 @ 09:36:43 Reply | Top | Edit Putting aside the debate over states' rights that flag represents armed insurrection against the United States. A lot of veterans, including myself to a small degree, find that offensive. There are 2 sides to everything, of course. Without armed insurrection we would still be flying the Union Jack. While the southern states were correct in their insistence that the federal government should be limited in power, they were fighting for their right to own people like cattle. -- 95 Formula 1 of 7,448
"Life is too short to drive a slow car." Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-27-2007 @ 10:35:37 Reply | Top | Edit i would rather own cattle like people. good points jumper. --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: cmerc On: 10-27-2007 @ 10:37:59 Reply | Top | Edit I want to throw one thing in the mix: I think you must take into account the times in which it happened, slavery at that time was an institution going back for thousands of years, and an accepted way of life, as wrong as it was. It was only at that point in time were we as Humans begining to understand the fact that it was wrong, and factions were begining to try and eradicate it, and others were trying to sustain it, that kind of thing still goes on today except the issue is not slavery but other things. Communism, war in the middle east, etc etc. I for one do not condem early slave owners, it was wrong no doubt, but they were programmed from an early age that it was "Normal and acceptable" and it was for their time. however fortunatly a swe meture we then are able to reach our own conclusions and in manty cases, and slavery is a great example, override our progeamming and preconcieved ideas that is IS wrong and fight to change it. Imagine if the south had won the war perhaps our whole perspective would be reversed. -- Posted By: jumper297 On: 10-27-2007 @ 11:01:38 Reply | Top | Edit I agree that wrong and right are dependand on society norms. I don't condemn early slavers, but I'm talking REALLY early. I do, however, hold those today that know better accountable for such contemptable views. Just to be clear I'm not talking about fastcop at all... I know he isn't a racist and the dumbass trying to confront him in the parking lot got what he deserved. -- 95 Formula 1 of 7,448
"Life is too short to drive a slow car." Posted By: cmerc On: 10-27-2007 @ 11:09:31 Reply | Top | Edit To sum it up in my mind it's over, done, finished, lets get on with life and stop living in the past. Them that don't want it to die, apparently have another agenda. -- Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-27-2007 @ 11:10:22 Reply | Top | Edit
The flag doesn't mean shit about racism. The people that fly it proudly are ignorant southern people that are clinging to the belief that they are "better" than anyone else because they live in the south. Which really has no bearing on anything because the "heritage" they are remembering is one of a pointless succession, and a lost war that stems from it. Fly a flag that has a big ole bowl of grits or collard greens on it. At least that could actually be conceived of as a mark of "heritage". The only reason that you were labled racist because of that, is simply due to the fact that the social / geographical class that would be proud to fly such a flag/shirt, would be more likely to have tendencies to sway towards racism. You don't have to be a confederate lover to be racist. There are plenty who are not. Also being racist doesn't automatically make you a confederate supporter. They are just usually linked. 
I personaly think that the shirt/flag, is a pointless and pretty much meaningless and arbitrary "symbol". But I don't think it makes you a racist. However I am also inclined to say that you pulling a gun on an unarmed man that didnt even threaten your person, was a shitty move. But that's besides the point. I dunno what the laws are there, but a lot of places you would be in hot water for that. osifer or not. *shrugs*. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: camaro1986z28 On: 10-27-2007 @ 11:23:51 Reply | Top | Edit harlan, think about that. i think he'd be in more shit for fighting the guy instead of pulling a gun. CCW's are around for exactly what he used it for. the guy opened his truck door like he was going to kick his ass. people tend to back off when they have a gun staring them in the face. fight was avoided, they both went there separate ways. end of story. OR he could have got out of the truck, fought the guy, got arrested, risk getting fucked in court ect... if you know they guys un-armed you know he's going to shut his fucking mouth. and how do you know he or his buddies were un-armed? An armed society is a polite society  --  [ Edited on 10/27/2007 @ 11:25:33 ] Posted By: jumper297 On: 10-27-2007 @ 11:56:42 Reply | Top | Edit ^Exactly. That's why we have conceal carry permits. The guy made a threat to his person when he grabbed the door. Obviously he was in the right because he was at home eating chips while the other guys was being booked. -- 95 Formula 1 of 7,448
"Life is too short to drive a slow car." Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-27-2007 @ 12:02:29 Reply | Top | Edit I don't think so. You are supposed to be a higher standard, responsible person to be able to carry. Pulling your member out at any sign of possible altercation wouldn't classify itself as such. If they came after him with intent to kill him, then it's would have been a defensive move. What he did was the offencive move. Just because the guy was being a prick, doesn't mean he was going to do anything more then show himself as such. Some states CCW laws allow you to only pull it when you are going to use it. I don't think that it's intention is to make you look more powerful just because you can pull one out anytime you feel threatened. There is really no reason to play the "what if" games either. What if he had a gun? a Knife? a rocket launcher? It doesn't really mater because it never happened. If they started to gesture towards weapons, then sure. But if everyone that was about to get into a fist fight pulled a gun, it would be setting a dangerous precedent. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: cmerc On: 10-27-2007 @ 12:07:06 Reply | Top | Edit In the Bahamas it's meet force with force, however I don't think anyone has to wait until they are sure the "intent is deadly" or even semi deadly to pull a gun, if youre licensed, thats why there are charges like manslaughter cause they did not start out with deadly intentions. -- Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-27-2007 @ 12:16:08 Reply | Top | Edit Right, but if Force=Force, unarmed VS hand gun doesn't factor. I even recall something about someone that pulled out a gun to defend against someone that already pulled a knife on him. The guy with the gun was arrested and charged, based on the fact that the gun wasn't classified as the same amount of force used on him. Which I think is pretty stupid. But I mean if someone comes up to you and punches you in the nose, you cant just put a bullet in him and think it's ok. I just don't agree with the fact that if you think someone might try and punch you, you should be able to pull a gun on him and make him back off if he shows no sign of bodily harm. I also think it's pretty juvenile to belive that just because one person was cleared and the other was arrested, that the one arrested was the one at fault and the other was in the right. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-27-2007 @ 12:36:05 Reply | Top | Edit I know it's jumping a bit off the beaten path of intention, but I just wanted to add something else. I know lately there was talk of the new law that would entitle carriers to use deadly force on someone no using deadly force if they felt threatened. Whether or not the threat was real or perceived. I guess this in a way reminds me of that. Not so much for the aspect of violence, but as the fact that it's a very close step behind it. I don't agree with that law at all. It's a hell of a loop hole, mostly for violent offenders and criminals that want an excuse for murder. You can shoot an unarmed man, then claim that you felt threatened, and you are cleared. You can do the same, while mowing down innocent people in the background, and still be cleared. I know the law passed i Florida already, and was actually used once. A tow truck driver shot and killed an irate owner of a car he had just towed because it was illegally parked. I really think that the meaning of this law would make perfect sense in home defence situations. You see someone in your home that doesn't belong? It's a legitimate threat, and armed or not I don't see an issued with deadly force. As long as it's not the UPS guy. But anywhere, anytime, is just asking for it. They are even saying that it can be used in public/official areas where CCW are not supposed to be allowed. So not only does it allow the possible death of anyone you want, but it can clear you if you shoot someone in an area where you are not supposed to have a weapon. I dunno. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: maxwax On: 10-27-2007 @ 12:40:47 Reply | Top | Edit Harlan why do you insist on calling southern people ignorant,and saying that we think that we are better because we live in the south? Everyone may not have faught the war for all the right reasons,but overall that flag is still a symbol and a memoiril to simple soldiers who died striving to grasp what they belived to be a better future. Wanting it to be a symbol of those things is not actually the same thing as being a symbol of those things . Wheather back in the civil war it was a symbol of racisim or not,I cant say for sure. But is dosent stand for racisim to me. Ithink it is important for that people of all races see tht flag. Everyone needs to see in that flag for which it really stands... it stands for a time in which brother fought brother, a time when a great nation was devided. and if they cant see it as that... and if can only see it as a racial thing,then let it serve to remind them that hatred is neither a right nor good solution to anything. you cant hol a flag responsible for racisim or hatred,nor can you banish it from existance, and you cant hold out a flag and say this is a reminder of somthing that only reminds you of you , As for most everyone else it merely symbolizes a continuing legitimization of white opression of minorities. which by some RED NEK standard is true. But not all grit and collard eating southern people are racist Harlan, and I would think someone as intelligent as you seem to be would be open minded enough to see that. Contrary to what you may think not all the members on here are of northern decent, and as a MODERATOR I would think you would be a little less biased. but thats just my thoughts. -- Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-27-2007 @ 12:43:11 Reply | Top | Edit Did you even read what I wrote? I Specifically said that the flag doesn't make you racist, nor does being racist mean you fly the flag. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles [ Edited on 10/27/2007 @ 12:46:00 ] Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-27-2007 @ 14:27:40 Reply | Top | Edit Can someone please photoshop out the flag and replace it with a canadian flag and replace the dog with celine dion? --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-27-2007 @ 14:30:00 Reply | Top | Edit BTW the shirt is a crime, a fashion crime. If anyone is caught wearing a shirt that ugly he should be thrown in jail... sorry fastcop, it may not be racist, but it is tacky.
Also, going back to the original post. The shirt may not be racially offensive, but it is offensive and definetly something a police officer should not be wearing. thats my 2 cents and nobody cares what i think. Having a shirt like that on, you're asking for trouble. --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-27-2007 @ 14:35:23 Reply | Top | Edit Wait, I thought that was Celine Dion. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: camaro1986z28 On: 10-27-2007 @ 14:38:07 Reply | Top | Edit fashion crime? hey tyrel, know how i know your gay? -- Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-27-2007 @ 14:39:10 Reply | Top | Edit lol, clearly i've already come outta the closet. --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: Never_Satisfied On: 10-27-2007 @ 14:53:56 Reply | Top | Edit HMMM...I always thought that the reason a lot of people fly the confederate flag, Was for a tribute type thing-To remember everybody who was on that side of the war. I guess a may be wrong...I dont know. -- 
93 Z28 A4(shift kit)-Minor Mods, Stock 96 Camaro M5, 85 Iroc-Z TPI 350 Swap-Kinda Stock Posted By: cmerc On: 10-27-2007 @ 15:10:41 Reply | Top | Edit HBH:- But I mean if someone comes up to you and punches you in the nose, you cant just put a bullet in him and think it's ok. I absolutly agree with you on that, my only point is a policeman out of uniform vs 4 or five guys, why wait to see if they want a five on one, defuse it asap. -- Posted By: cmerc On: 10-27-2007 @ 15:18:55 Reply | Top | Edit actually someone should replace the flag with Mike Vick, but then someone would still say it was racist. Holy shit you effin yanks are a bunch of argumentative people. DOWN WITH AMERICA, Send the yanks to the south pole, freeze their mouths shut  :rifl:-- Posted By: fastcop On: 10-27-2007 @ 16:42:33 Reply | Top | Edit i guess i should have let him snatch me out of my truck and beat my ass before i did anything... -- Posted By: cmerc On: 10-27-2007 @ 16:58:41 Reply | Top | Edit .............don't forget, kick you in the nuts, and tie you to tha back of their vehicle and drag you down the road a 50 mph. Then, if you were as good as some movie hero, and could pull yourself up the roap, and on to the back of their vehicle, then and only then could you be justified in pulling your gun and making them pull over, so you could get away. fuck it shoot em and jump off the vehicle and let it crash -- [ Edited on 10/27/2007 @ 16:59:49 ] Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-27-2007 @ 17:49:22 Reply | Top | Edit Again with the what if's. He probably would have pussed out and just kept calling you names, which I am pretty sure would could have defended yourself against. Hell, my GF calls me names all the time, but I don't have to pull a gun on her to feel safe.
I just thought it was a shitty move. You were in your truck, which I assume would prevent you from getting "pulled out", unless you had your back to him while getting in. And I pick up that you were happy about the fact that they were "begging you not to shoot him", almost as if you were thinking like you were doing him a favor by resisting the temptation. Maybe it was just the wording. But bottom line, you got yourself into that situation, and like Tyrel said, was asking for trouble. It finally seemed to answer you this time. All around I just didn't see the whole transaction as particularly brilliant. But I still don't think that it had anything to do with being racist. I think he just wanted to pick on it as such for some reason. Maybe he was 1/64 black. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: cmerc On: 10-27-2007 @ 18:36:29 Reply | Top | Edit Hey hbh ain't today your b/day? wtf you doing here? you should be out enjoying your youth. -- Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-27-2007 @ 19:31:11 Reply | Top | Edit I have no youth. I'm 1/4 Century old. 
Besides, it was yesterday. Instead of enjoying the youth I don't have, I'm enjoying several Mojito's and a lot of Halo 3. I am contemplating enjoying another piece of $50 birthday cake too. But I have to be able to fit into my new suit next weekend for a wedding. A racist wedding. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: cmerc On: 10-27-2007 @ 19:43:36 Reply | Top | Edit "A racist wedding." Hope that new suit don't come with a white pointy hat 
-- Posted By: ChimpysZ28 On: 10-27-2007 @ 20:15:39 Reply | Top | Edit "A racist wedding." thats a first -- Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-27-2007 @ 20:19:16 Reply | Top | Edit Well, I didn't want it to seem like a hijack. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: docs89gta On: 10-27-2007 @ 20:19:32 Reply | Top | Edit It's funny how you, hbh, can be so critical about what happened when you weren't even there. It's always funny and easy for anyone that wasn't there to make up some kind of BS about how it "should" have been handled. I for one am a law abiding citizen and have a my ccw and if i were in the situation described, i would probably have done the same thing. If i am alone, and there are 4-5 other people together, i don't think i'm going to wait to see if they are all going to do something stupid or even wait for one to take a punch at me. For arguments sake, if he had waited and the one guy got in a lucky and good punch and then saw the pistol and took it from him, what would/could have happened then? I personally am not going to let that happen. -- 89 GTA Trans Am stock.WS6 T-Tops, Alpine sound system, Flowmaster exhaust 75 Chevy Nova LN 350 4 bolt main bored .060 over, TRW Forged Flattop pistons MSD 6AL, MSD Billet Dist. Comp. Cam .486 lift, Holley 650, Crager Drag Stars,3.42 rear gears with posi.  Posted By: BigMike383ci On: 10-28-2007 @ 00:02:53 Reply | Top | Edit I live in rural NC, I'm not from here but I've lived here for a little over seven years now. In my experience, the average wearer/flyer of the confederate flag is fairly ignorant and generally unimpressive (just my opinion). The way that it's defended is "heritage, not hate." Well it doesn't take a fucking genius to figure out that you're celebrating and commemorating a heritage OF hate. The civil war was fought over the right to own slaves like livestock, under the guise of states rights... southerners were really pissed about the fact that the federal government was trying to take their slaves, so they dressed the issue up as being about the states right to choose whether they would keep slavery legal or not. My feelings about wearing the confederate battle flag aside, I really don't know why you would want to wear/fly a reminder of a history of ignorance, oppression, failure and defeat ...that's just me. I'm not saying there's anything terribly wrong with wearing a shirt like that, plenty of people who wear stuff like that are perfectly decent people like fastcop has always seemed to be... it's just that the average person who wears the confederate flag typically fits a certain profile, and it's not a terribly impressive one. Not all people, just on average. -- 383ci stroker LT1, Eagle crank, Eagle SIR rods, SRP forged 16cc dished pistons, ported and polished LT1 heads, JW 700R4 transmission, JW 2500 stall converter, Moser 12-bolt rear end, 33 spline Moser axles, 3.73 gears, Eibach drag launch springs. [ Edited on 10/28/2007 @ 23:04:01 ] Posted By: BigMike383ci On: 10-28-2007 @ 00:13:04 Reply | Top | Edit And maxwax, your statements are just down right disturbing... southern shoulders fought and died striving for a better future?? jesus christ. Sure, they wanted a better future on the backs of enslaved and oppressed blacks... that sounds like something worth memorializing.  And was the confederate battle flag a symbol of racism during the civil war? Ummm... it was the battle flag of a group of soldiers fighting to preserve slavery... I'd say that's pretty racist. And if the flag really does stand for a time when our great nation was divided, then I don't think it's such a hot idea to memorialize the morally wrong and indefensible side of that battle. Nobody is trying to "hold a flag responsible for racism," they're just pissed that people feel the need to commemorate a flag that represented it 150 progressive years later. -- 383ci stroker LT1, Eagle crank, Eagle SIR rods, SRP forged 16cc dished pistons, ported and polished LT1 heads, JW 700R4 transmission, JW 2500 stall converter, Moser 12-bolt rear end, 33 spline Moser axles, 3.73 gears, Eibach drag launch springs. Posted By: ChimpysZ28 On: 10-28-2007 @ 00:22:56 Reply | Top | Edit i am still standing by my assumption. I have dealt with racist people for most of my life. And some have those flag hanging from there shirts and i have friends who have warn shirts with that flag.Its just a flag..all though some people hide behind it like it stand for racism. All i can say the confederate nation is gone. -- Posted By: BigMike383ci On: 10-28-2007 @ 00:25:52 Reply | Top | Edit The fact that the KKK's official flag happens to also be the confederate battle flag... that may contribute to people connecting that flag w/ racism. And it may be just a flag, but flags stand for something. The American flag is just a flag, but when you see someone spitting on it and setting it on fire on the news, you get pissed. Because flags stand for something more than just their physical presence and appearance, they stand for a lot actually. -- 383ci stroker LT1, Eagle crank, Eagle SIR rods, SRP forged 16cc dished pistons, ported and polished LT1 heads, JW 700R4 transmission, JW 2500 stall converter, Moser 12-bolt rear end, 33 spline Moser axles, 3.73 gears, Eibach drag launch springs. [ Edited on 10/28/2007 @ 00:50:21 ] Posted By: 2piececrank On: 10-28-2007 @ 00:47:31 Reply | Top | Edit Being that Jay is a cop and all, I am sure that he knows the laws on when he is allowed to pull a weapon on someone. Someone following you to the parking lot and pulling open the door of your vehicle is a pretty damn hostile action. When it is 4 of them, that changes the situation completely. Regardless of what anyone on hear thinks the shirt/flag/etc. represent, it doesn't matter at all. Jay wears it for his own reasons, be it states rights/hates blacks/finds it stylish/what have you. So it is his reason to wear the shirt, and more than within his rights to do so. I really think that it is funny when people get upset over shirts like Jay's when I have far more vile shirts in my closet:  Do you think it is inappropriate? Tacky? Offensive? Doesn't matter a bit, because it is MY shirt. -- 1989 Silverado 4x4, 355cid, RV cam, 160 thermostat, Vortec Heads, Stainless Exhaust, Hypertech Chip 1980 T-top Camaro, In the works: 355 cid race prepped block, Eagle crank and SIR rods and KB flattop pistons, Weiand heads, TH350 http://www.cardomain.com/id/2piececrank [ Edited on 10/28/2007 @ 00:48:20 ] Posted By: roubenbird On: 10-28-2007 @ 01:05:31 Reply | Top | Edit Short and sweet... A) I think that the flag does have a little bit of "racist" flavor or somehow does remind MOST COMMON "folks" of slavery and what not. B) I also think that what you did was reasonable. C) I agreee with Harlan, DAMNIT AGAIN!, that you do seem to take a little bit of glee from this experience D) My views are right and cannot be argued because i used letter to denote my opinions, which actually are no longer opinions but are now considered factual evidence. E) Am I a mod yet? -- 
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To imply that slave owners were less accountable for their actions because they were products of their upbringing is just a cop out. I'm glad to hear that I may have misunderstood you and I apologize for the intensity of the wording in my earlier post. I must however take issue w/ you on the fact that it has nothing to do with me... I think as an American all the issues that we've discussed here so far have everything to do with me, you, Harlan, and anyone else who feels like pitching in their .02.  -- 383ci stroker LT1, Eagle crank, Eagle SIR rods, SRP forged 16cc dished pistons, ported and polished LT1 heads, JW 700R4 transmission, JW 2500 stall converter, Moser 12-bolt rear end, 33 spline Moser axles, 3.73 gears, Eibach drag launch springs. [ Edited on 10/28/2007 @ 23:05:12 ] Posted By: maxwax On: 10-28-2007 @ 02:30:31 Reply | Top | Edit Mike I guess I should have worded that another way,I did not mean you in general I meant how can any one let somthing so minute now consume your whole being, all some people look for is a way out or something to blame thier repression or miss fortune on in this case it happens to be the confederate battle flag ,and if ignorance is a choice,I dare say now wouldent we all choose to be a genius? what the hell are you talking about A cop out I never said they shouldent be held accountable, but who gave us the right to be judge ,jury and executioner, I am quite sure they all have or will get what they deserve on judgement day. -- Posted By: BigMike383ci On: 10-28-2007 @ 10:59:26 Reply | Top | Edit We're clearly not operating on the same wavelength here. The internet probably isn't the easiest way to have a complex conversation like this, so if you would like to continue the conversation I'd be more than happy to email you my phone number. Other than that, we can just leave it at the fact that we most likely agree, we're just not communicating it very well, lol. Just to clarify two points... ignorance and stupidity are two completely different things in my mind. Even back in the days when slavery was commonplace, a person could be dumb as a sack of rocks and still understand that slavery is wrong, if that person was introspective and asked the right questions of himself. Similarly, plenty of "geniuses" back then firmly supported slavery, mainly because it was so convenient for them that they never bothered to question the morality of the issue. (very ignorant in my opinion). So it's entirely possible to be an ignorant genius, just like it's possible to be a morally enlightened idiot... which may not seem to make much sense, but its perfectly reasonable depending on how you define the word ignorant. Secondly, I would never suggest that you wouldn't want slave owners to be held accountable for their actions, I have a MUCH higher view of you in my mind than that. However, saying that they were just following the way that they were raised does inherently reduce their culpability. It was an issue of morality. Even in an environment where slavery was widely accepted, if a person's folks taught them the true meaning of right and wrong, they should have been able to figure out that it was wrong and adjust their lifestyle accordingly. In conclusion, I'm sure we don't disagree on any of the major issues here, it just seems as though we are both misinterpreting each other's statements. Which is unfortunate, because I'm sure we could have a very valuable and interesting conversation if it wasn't for the limitations of the internet!! -- 383ci stroker LT1, Eagle crank, Eagle SIR rods, SRP forged 16cc dished pistons, ported and polished LT1 heads, JW 700R4 transmission, JW 2500 stall converter, Moser 12-bolt rear end, 33 spline Moser axles, 3.73 gears, Eibach drag launch springs. Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-28-2007 @ 12:09:59 Reply | Top | Edit From what I gathered, he dealt with the one guy before the other 4 came around. And of course it's easy for me to be subjective about it by not being there, that's the whole basis of everything that happens in life. It's the same way a jury looks at a criminal case. The events are stated, and then they draw a conclusion based on what they see and hear. The way I have always been taught and believed, is that you don't pull a gun on someone unless you are about to use it. Not just to scare other people away. Now if the guy came running after him with a knife, pipe, barney doll etc, then that's different. But over the years I have seen him talk about instance's that he seems to abuse his status for his own good. Of course he isn't going to get in trouble when the cops come. He works with them. Just like Ray Charles would say, Thats just the way I see it. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: jumper297 On: 10-28-2007 @ 14:11:02 Reply | Top | Edit He did use it. He defused the fight by showing he was armed. Saying that whenever you pull a weapon you are obligated to kill someone is idiotic. The whole point is to minimize the damage, thats why a lot of us bother to carry. You're making some huge generalizations about Jay's character and the situation with the local police based on a few statements. Either way... he's trained as a law enforcement officer and he's never had any ethics violations that we know of. That pretty much makes him a better authority on the issue than anyone else who's posted in this thread. And back to the original point... anyone who believes that the Confederacy had nothing to do with racism is flat out wrong. It was the flash point for the whole damn war. -- 95 Formula 1 of 7,448
"Life is too short to drive a slow car." Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-28-2007 @ 15:24:45 Reply | Top | Edit Actually, I'm doing nothing of the sort. I'm saying how I feel about the situation. That makes you idiotic because you cant follow the text long enough without jumping to assumptions. I'm also calling his character into question based on years of observations that I have made of him on this site. But mostly you are wrong because you are racist... 1 point for me. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles [ Edited on 10/28/2007 @ 16:33:33 ] Posted By: Fury_786 On: 10-28-2007 @ 16:46:17 Reply | Top | Edit self-distributed points -- 
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Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-28-2007 @ 18:21:23 Reply | Top | Edit "Do you think it is inappropriate? Tacky? Offensive? Doesn't matter a bit, because it is MY shirt." and YOUR an asshole for wearing it. --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-28-2007 @ 18:49:03 Reply | Top | Edit +1 for the Canadian. So actually it's + .07 after the exchange rate. -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-28-2007 @ 19:01:18 Reply | Top | Edit hell no! we're on par now! +1 CDN = +1.04060 US.. .... don't be so anti-Canadian racist! --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: 2piececrank On: 10-28-2007 @ 22:03:47 Reply | Top | Edit I'm an asshole for wearing a shirt making a statement about something I don't believe in and it upsets you? Then I suppose I am an asshole for volunteering at a local church too, even though I don't follow their particular brand of religion? Oh, and I am sure there was some amount of blaspheming going on at the horrorfest I volunteer for, so that must make me an asshole as well. I also did some work on a piece that will be auctioned at a local MS charity, not sure how that makes me an asshole, but I am sure it does. Calling someone an asshole because they own, say, or wear something that YOU find offensive makes you asinine. --
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1989 Silverado 4x4, 355cid, RV cam, 160 thermostat, Vortec Heads, Stainless Exhaust, Hypertech Chip 1980 T-top Camaro, In the works: 355 cid race prepped block, Eagle crank and SIR rods and KB flattop pistons, Weiand heads, TH350 http://www.cardomain.com/id/2piececrank Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-29-2007 @ 01:00:05 Reply | Top | Edit nope, sorry, if you wear a shirt that you KNOW is gonna piss people off, then you're an asshole. there really is no argument here. I am sure you are a decent guy who does decent things, but wearing a shirt calling someones savior a homo makes you an asshole. Sorry man, nothing personal really, but you bought that shirt to shock people, perhaps someday you'll grow up and realize i didn't attack your right to wear the shirt, but i sure can attack the motive behind it. asshole. --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: maxwax On: 10-29-2007 @ 07:29:28 Reply | Top | Edit Big MIke, I agree, sorry for any confusion. Rodney. -- Posted By: HBHRacing On: 10-29-2007 @ 11:48:03 Reply | Top | Edit He isn't saying that you have an asshole personality, just that the action in question makes you an asshole when pertaining to this instance. For example, the pope is a pretty swell guy. But if he showed up one day with a shirt that said, no fat chicks. It would have made him an asshole for it. You can do asshole things, without being an asshole. Or you can be an asshole that does asshole things. eh? -- Owner of HBHRacing.com Xtreme performance products Click for new Fbody Tech Articles Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-29-2007 @ 12:18:59 Reply | Top | Edit very well put harlan, thanks for that. --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: 2piececrank On: 10-31-2007 @ 00:07:59 Reply | Top | Edit You can do asshole things, without being an asshole Which is not at all what he said. He called me an asshole, and did not say that it was an asshole thing. Your argument is that I am an asshole because it is YOUR savior on that shirt. If it was a shirt that had Buddha giving himself fallatio and said "Buddha likes the dick" or something similar you would not have been offended. Jesus is not my lord and savior, and therefore there is no meaning to this shirt other than its original purpose, which was to be a parody of the "Jesus is my homeboy shirts," except for you to put meaning to it. And completely regardless of what that shirt may mean to whoever, you don't know where I wear that shirt. I wear it at home, and when I do wear it out, it is always as an undershirt, because I really don't want to go out of my way to offend anyone. If I wanted to do that, I would do so through valid arguments against religion as opposed to a shirt. --
1989 Silverado 4x4, 355cid, RV cam, 160 thermostat, Vortec Heads, Stainless Exhaust, Hypertech Chip 1980 T-top Camaro, In the works: 355 cid race prepped block, Eagle crank and SIR rods and KB flattop pistons, Weiand heads, TH350 http://www.cardomain.com/id/2piececrank Posted By: Tyrel On: 10-31-2007 @ 00:13:37 Reply | Top | Edit "and YOUR an asshole for wearing it" Nope, i dinstinctly said you were an asshole for wearing it. "...wearing a shirt calling someones savior a homo makes you an asshole" Someones savior. I didn't say my personal savior. And you're right, i don't know where you wear the shirt, you didn't say in your original post. So how was i supposed to know that you only wore in at appropriate times? Wearing an extremely offensive shirt, just for your own kicks is an asshole thing to do. Thus, when you wear that shirt, knowing you're going to offend people, you're doing an asshole thing... What do you call someone thats doing an asshole thing? an asshole. --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: cmerc On: 10-31-2007 @ 10:45:35 Reply | Top | Edit "Someones savior. I didn't say my personal savior." Well, it's "my personal savior." and while I thought it was inapproprate, I never thought of Justin in the terms of "asshole", rather that I hoped one day he would change his mind about the shirt and it's message. -- Posted By: 2piececrank On: 10-31-2007 @ 12:24:45 Reply | Top | Edit Tyrel, you are just enforcing my original belief that people will get up in arms about anything, including a piece of cotton. I don't wear the shirt to offend people, I wear it because I feel it is an excellent parody of a shirt that many pseudo-Christians wear. I also do get a laugh that people are upset at the thought of someone being gay, even in 2007. Is being gay really all that bad still? Steve, I appreciate that you didn't make this personal, and I can assure you that I do not think that Jesus was a homosexual. I have read enough of the Bible and supporting texts to gather that. Accepting him as my lord and savior is something that I do not see happening in my lifetime for my own reasons, but I can surely say that I have no problem with your beliefs and if you truly believe it (which you seem to do, especially more so than most Christians) then I applaud you for the conviction. --
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I can further argue with you, and use perfectly good examples in order to back up my position, but its not gonna change where you stand on the subject. If you want to keep this discussion going, i can. Do you want to keep this discussion going? If you do, i will fire back, if not, water under the bridge. --
"My poop smells like lavender!" -Pongo "obviously homo" Mcdildoo Thats because your lover uses lavender flavored lube.- Tyrel Posted By: 2piececrank On: 10-31-2007 @ 22:02:02 Reply | Top | Edit Steve, you are a gentleman and a scholar as always, well, if scholars use smiley faces. Tyrel, I see no need to further this. I feel I made my point about people easily being offended, and you made your point about me being an asshole. When this all started, my girlfriend was sitting behind me as I read and our convo verbatim... Me: *a little shocked* I can't believe he called me an asshole about this. Her: About what? Me: *explains* Her: Well you are an asshole... Me: But he doesn't know that. --
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that story made it all worth while...
No dude, i don't think you're an asshole. You seem like an upstanding citizen. I am also not overly sensitive about much. I wasn't even upset. Its all good, i am full of candy and booze and getting ready to go to a party.. wa000t --
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