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Will i out Dyno the C6? Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-17-2009 @ 17:22:30 Reply | Edit So my TA is going to the same dyno/tuner that we used on the C6. It should get dynoed thursday, i was wanting to go with it, but i will be getting an ultra sound in another city so i will leave it with the tuner. I want to get it tuned before the snow flies here. My goal (and Pongos) when doing the build was to dyno the same as my Dads LS2 C6 (vararam and dyno tune) post tuning. So, do you think it will? Mods (i'm going to forget some, pongo fill em in if i forgot some): Schwankes 5.3 short block: http://www.schwankeshortblocks.com/Short%20Blocks/5.3L-5.7L%20348%20Truck%20Short%20Block/5.3L-5.7L%20348%20Truck%20Short%20Block.htm 243 LS2 heads Patriot gold springs (i think, we had a few different options) Futral F5 cam (224"/228" .588"/.576" 114LSA) LS6 intake MTI Clear lid Long tubes off road pipe Magnaflow catback I think thats all for power adders. Guesses? --  Posted By: cmerc On: 11-17-2009 @ 17:31:51 Reply | Top | Edit 385 hp (FW) 409 TQ -- 
Posted By: ChimpysZ28 On: 11-17-2009 @ 17:43:06 Reply | Top | Edit Ha your gonna destroy it in power. i am going to say 445-460hp. --  Posted By: PongoX11 On: 11-17-2009 @ 17:43:55 Reply | Top | Edit That may have been your goal, mine was to outdyno your dads car >=) Sounds like you have the full list of power adders there. -- Former ride: 531RWHP/477RWTQ roubenbird: Thanks, I was unaware. I guess the rolling eyes still didn't portray my sarcasim. Posted By: crunkmaro On: 11-17-2009 @ 18:07:41 Reply | Top | Edit uhm. you better. Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-17-2009 @ 18:36:08 Reply | Top | Edit Here is Dads dyno sheet. http://westers_garage.eidnet.org/2005%20Corvette%20M6%20both.jpg 286 rwhp on this dyno, there is nothing wrong with the car, blah blah blah, This is just how this tuner likes to have his dyno set up. The C6 runs mid 12's. I would be ecstatic with anything in around 300 rwhp and tq. on the juice, nearing that 500 range..  evil:-- Posted By: ThumperNC24 On: 11-17-2009 @ 19:59:21 Reply | Top | Edit wtf is with that dyno? is he dynoing the car in 2nd gear? I would have guessed 420 rwhp, but on that dyno I will guess ~340 rwhp. -- 
99 Pewter Trans Am M6 - FLP LTs, Corsa Catback, BMR STB, UMI Adj. PHB, LT1 Pro-Kit, Koni Sport 4/3, BMR Adj. LCAs, K&N CAI, LS6 intake, Thunder Racing Custom Cam, T/A Girdle, Richmond 4.10s, Cartek Stage III clutch, Comp 918s and Ti Retainers, Hardened Pushrods, Kenny Brown DD SFCs, 160* Thermo, 18" HP Wheels, Super Hawk Hood, some other stuff - 412 rwhp / 418 rwtq SAE http://www.fquick.com/ThumperNC24 Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-17-2009 @ 21:00:34 Reply | Top | Edit 340? i would drop loads on furys face if i got that. I'm not sure what gear he is dynoing them in, i've never actually been there for one. I doubt it though. I've asked him about it. He just prefers his dyno set up like that for tuning purposes. He does a lot of weird installs that other tuners can't get working. Tons of diesels and what not as well. I'll ask him though. I guess we'll find out. -- Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-17-2009 @ 21:51:59 Reply | Top | Edit It is "corrected" which is the proper way a dyno should measure the power. But since most people are gung-ho about higher numbers on paper, they take it uncorrected or just didn't know better. Those are the REAL numbers. On that dyno setup i'll take a very uneducated guess at 347rwhp -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6  Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-17-2009 @ 22:04:09 Reply | Top | Edit man, you guys have lofty goals for the ol TA. If it dynos more than 325rwhp, i will post a picture of me posing sexy next to it. Scouts honor. -- Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-17-2009 @ 22:20:54 Reply | Top | Edit The average stock ls1 Fbody dynos 303rwhp through a t-56, so with your mod list, a good tune it should shoot up some good numbers. A stock LS6 will dyno about 370rwhpish with CAI and long tubes, so why do you think we are aiming high? Even if it is a corrected chart. -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 Posted By: PongoX11 On: 11-17-2009 @ 23:07:48 Reply | Top | Edit An LS2 making 286RWHP is more than just corrected. -- Former ride: 531RWHP/477RWTQ roubenbird: Thanks, I was unaware. I guess the rolling eyes still didn't portray my sarcasim. Posted By: assbreeze On: 11-18-2009 @ 00:51:04 Reply | Top | Edit Yeah, that's not regular SAE correction or even a Mustang dyno, those numbers are way low. But it doesn't really matter as long as it's consistent, which is what Tyrel's saying. -- crunk is the antichrist. Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-18-2009 @ 01:22:40 Reply | Top | Edit Is the C6 an auto? -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-18-2009 @ 01:29:18 Reply | Top | Edit no it's a 6 spd C6. Runs strong. As assbreeze pointed out, its consistent and a reference point. Here are some other numbers from stuff thats on his website: LS1 with STS turbo 352rwhp 04 Cobra bolt ons, pullied etc 401 rwhp 05 GT 224 rwhp 2010 magnacharged LS3 camaro 433rwhp So as you can see it is consistent with what the rest of the world shows. 300 rwhp on his dyno NA i would be happy with, i want to be in the low to mid 400s on the juice though. -- Posted By: ThumperNC24 On: 11-18-2009 @ 01:39:38 Reply | Top | Edit yeah. My number are corrected 412 rwhp.... I would expect this car to make a little bit more considering the better heads but slightly smaller cam........ 286 rwhp is RIDICULOUSLY LOW. ~13% loss on an LS2 should be 348rwhp (stock) ~20% loss (really high even for factory auto) should be 320rwhp (stock) that dyno is reading crazy low.....wholly inaccurate compared to other dynos (mustang or dynojet or whatever....) -- 99 Pewter Trans Am M6 - FLP LTs, Corsa Catback, BMR STB, UMI Adj. PHB, LT1 Pro-Kit, Koni Sport 4/3, BMR Adj. LCAs, K&N CAI, LS6 intake, Thunder Racing Custom Cam, T/A Girdle, Richmond 4.10s, Cartek Stage III clutch, Comp 918s and Ti Retainers, Hardened Pushrods, Kenny Brown DD SFCs, 160* Thermo, 18" HP Wheels, Super Hawk Hood, some other stuff - 412 rwhp / 418 rwtq SAE http://www.fquick.com/ThumperNC24 [ Edited on 11/18/2009 @ 01:40:24 ] Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-18-2009 @ 01:46:27 Reply | Top | Edit "05 GT 224 rwhp" Nah. This dyno is RIGHT on. hehehe -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 [ Edited on 11/18/2009 @ 01:47:02 ] Posted By: GOATS2QUICK On: 11-18-2009 @ 03:22:45 Reply | Top | Edit ultra sound you say? hmmm. -- 
Posted By: crunkmaro On: 11-18-2009 @ 08:28:37 Reply | Top | Edit i saw a stock c6 run 12.2 the other day at the track...and the guy sucked at driving. if that dyno is consistent, you shoudl be makin just around 320-330. if you were on another dyno, expect somewhere around 400 lol. without spray Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-18-2009 @ 11:03:24 Reply | Top | Edit ^I think you're right on. -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-18-2009 @ 11:26:05 Reply | Top | Edit yah ultrasound. The doc yesterday suspects a hernia still, even though there is no lump. Off to the ultrasound for me. It is crazy low, but consistent. I look forward to it either way. 300 would be the tits. if its like 298 or some bullshit after tuning, i am going be spending money like mad getting 2 more hp! -- Posted By: JerseyFrank On: 11-18-2009 @ 12:38:57 Reply | Top | Edit im guessing it creates a black hole that planet earth is sucked into. -- 09 Night Rod Special. PCV w/autotune. V&H black widow slip ons Posted By: Green97TAMachine On: 11-19-2009 @ 23:11:44 Reply | Top | Edit Well? Whats the results?! -- 
1997 Mystic Teal Trans Am Best Time: 13.984@102.99Mph  Posted By: PongoX11 On: 11-19-2009 @ 23:36:06 Reply | Top | Edit ^it created a black hole... Its Currently consuming Canada 
But will eventually eat us too 
Actually some POS blew up on the Dyno, so it should make it on tomorrow. -- Former ride: 531RWHP/477RWTQ roubenbird: Thanks, I was unaware. I guess the rolling eyes still didn't portray my sarcasim. Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-20-2009 @ 09:41:32 Reply | Top | Edit yah an STS turbod hemi blew up on the dyno so they didn't get a chance at at, they should today though. w00t. NO HERNIA w00t. -- Posted By: fergymoto On: 11-20-2009 @ 10:23:35 Reply | Top | Edit Forget the dyno, take it to the track! -- 
2001 WS6 M6 - TSP 233/239 cam, D&D Viper spec T56, Textralia OZ700, 12 bolt with 4.10s, some suspension, Hooker headers & catback, LS6 intake, ported TB & MAF, SLP lid 1997 Trans Am WS6 - LSX swap coming soon. 1998 TA M6 - miss it... RIP --- Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-20-2009 @ 13:17:30 Reply | Top | Edit Track is closed. -- Posted By: Havok2 On: 11-20-2009 @ 13:23:24 Reply | Top | Edit my cam only ls1 with CORRECTION put down 369hp i run mid 11s on motor -- 
1998 Camaro Z28 11.46@116.6 1.57 60" 412rwhp 396rwtq cam only Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-20-2009 @ 14:52:52 Reply | Top | Edit not today either. That damn hemi is taking up too much of their time to get to mine. THIS SUCKS, it's supposed to snow this weekend. -- Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-20-2009 @ 18:33:46 Reply | Top | Edit the good people at Westers stayed open late for me! Called me after the initial run.... Will my car out dyno Dads C6? YES! 298 rwhp 303 rwtq PRE tune. The mechanic said the tune in it is pretty good, so they may not see big gains, but they will smooth everything out and take out all my codes, and skip shift etc... w00t. should be around 305 rwhp and 310 rwtq is my guess. PERFECT! Thats exactly what i wanted out of a street car. If i had to guess, i would imagine that to be around 400rwhp on a normal dyno. Which is precisely what i wanted NA. I hope to make around 420 on his dyno with the juice, which is up around that 550-600 rwhp range. FUN STUFF. -- Posted By: crunkmaro On: 11-20-2009 @ 18:35:45 Reply | Top | Edit figure out why his shit dynos so low? Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-20-2009 @ 18:39:24 Reply | Top | Edit no, lol. Don't care either really. -- Posted By: fergymoto On: 11-20-2009 @ 19:55:21 Reply | Top | Edit Congrats on meeting your goal cannukka! --
2001 WS6 M6 - TSP 233/239 cam, D&D Viper spec T56, Textralia OZ700, 12 bolt with 4.10s, some suspension, Hooker headers & catback, LS6 intake, ported TB & MAF, SLP lid 1997 Trans Am WS6 - LSX swap coming soon. 1998 TA M6 - miss it... RIP --- Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-20-2009 @ 20:57:40 Reply | Top | Edit 307.6 rwhp 310.8 TQ I'll post the graph when they get it online, i don't own a scanner. A stock 2010 Camaro post tuning made 270 rwhp and 292 tq, so that puts it into perspective. PERFECT amount of HP NA. NOW for the 175 shot. -- Posted By: ChimpysZ28 On: 11-20-2009 @ 21:20:38 Reply | Top | Edit ^ what a weird dyno... -- Posted By: crunkmaro On: 11-20-2009 @ 21:51:30 Reply | Top | Edit wow yeah. stock 2010 camaro when i went to my dyno day put down 370. fuckin shit now make a vid where you aren't pussy footing it! this car was made to be driven tyrel! do it! Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-20-2009 @ 23:30:47 Reply | Top | Edit I'm not gonna lie, i am shit driver. I practiced a bit tonight. I need some serious seat time. -- Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-20-2009 @ 23:40:40 Reply | Top | Edit Forgot to mention, he did an overlay over my Dads dyno and printed it off for me. So i dropped that off at Dads house on my way home. lol... he then promptly showed me this:http://www.airpowersystems.com/ Jackass.  -- Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-21-2009 @ 09:59:09 Reply | Top | Edit Ask them why the dyno is reading 3/4 what it should. lol -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-21-2009 @ 13:49:28 Reply | Top | Edit Canadian exchange rate? -- Posted By: PongoX11 On: 11-21-2009 @ 14:19:13 Reply | Top | Edit Actually cars produce less HP in Canada because there is no Oxygen in Canada. -- Former ride: 531RWHP/477RWTQ roubenbird: Thanks, I was unaware. I guess the rolling eyes still didn't portray my sarcasim. Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-21-2009 @ 14:26:05 Reply | Top | Edit pure nitrous oxide in the air here. boo yah. -- Posted By: Tyrel On: 11-23-2009 @ 13:38:48 Reply | Top | Edit Ok, here is the shop owners write up on his dyno: Why on dynos' Example: If you have 300ftlbs at the crankshaft, you have 300 ftlbs at the driveshaft--assuming 1:1 and no trans losses. The torque is multiplied through the diff--so if you have a 3.73 diff, you should have 1119 ftlbs torque at the axles. If torque was the 'same' through a differential as input at the driveshaft, all our vehicles should have a 1:1 differential, as it wouldn't have any mechanical advantage to have a 4:10. Ok.... You then subtract the torque of tire height...so the taller the tire, the less torque is available at the road surface. Ok, so we should have a pretty high torque number at the tire surface...something in the range of 900 + ftlbs. The only dyno in the world that records raw torque is the MAHA dyno (which we recently sold)--because they realize the difficulty in the math. Hmmm....Germans.... The Superflow Autodyn30 takes all this data (we have to program diff, tire size, etc...) prior to doing any runs -- and get a stable tach signal from the engine, to get the resultant HP and Torque numbers at the wheel. To calibrate the dyno--there's a fixture that's bolted to the dyno, weights are hung on the end -- and the resultant numbers in torque are shown on the screen. Ft lbs is distance and weight--simple math. Saying our dyno is off, is kinda like saying a torque wrench doesn't read torque right, just because someone saw a higher number posted on a forum somewhere in hudocrunkville. The biggest problem with forums, is that the dyno operator tries to fudge a number at the crank. They'll say their street car makes 1000 HP...I can tell you that would be undriveable. Yes--JayLeno--that means you. Because of 'correction' factors in software, a dyno operator can fudge numbers to get a bigger smile on the customers' face. We don't do that. End of story...the software automatically adjusts the values based on atmospheric pressure, humidity, all to the proper SAE specs. We can actually print off 'dynojet' numbers, because we know the correction factors they use. We had a bike, very first thing we ever ran on this dyno come back for a repeat session a year and a half later. Know what ? He laid down an EXACT curve on top of his last years' data. That tells us two things....his bike is consistent, and so is the Superflow A30 dyno. -- Posted By: drauka On: 11-23-2009 @ 20:56:40 Reply | Top | Edit That's cool to know that their dyno is very consistent, but what exactly are they measuring? And does that mean that every other dyno in the world is "off"? Even if their dyno is the only "right" one, it really doesn't matter (other than as a tuning tool). For comparison to other people and other cars, their dyno is useless. I agree that a dyno is primarily a tuning tool, and in that case their dyno is probably much better than any other dyno because of the consistency. Good to know why there is a difference. PS: Do all dyno's take rear gear ratios into account to give an objective number? -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 
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