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Blew it up again...somehow Posted By: drauka On: 11-07-2009 @ 09:09:40 Reply | Edit For those that saw my last thread about the blown tranny that got rebuilt: I took it to the track last night, awesome weather DA was -800ft, made my first run with the new torque converter. Previous best was 12.98@108.35, first run, spinning off the line, crappy 1.97 60' time was 12.51@110.1x. I was pretty happy. I knew it had a lot more in it, so i lowered the tire pressures a little (MT ET streets) to 24lbs and made a second pass. Doing my burn out, and clunk, rattle rattle rattle. Coasted down, no forward, no reverse, and an awful metal rattling. A few guys said it sounded like the output shaft but I don't know if they know what they're talking about. So I got it towed 40 miles from the track to my trans shop. It's under warranty, but he told me the hard parts are not warrantied. So monday I'll see what the new damage is. Do you guys ever get that feeling when something breaks like this "screw it, i'm selling the car, this nonsense is not worth it"? A trans should not be grenading on a 1.9 60'. And actually, it broke in the burnout, not the launch. Worst part was the nissan 350z thinks he won! Heh. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35  Posted By: 94RedFormula On: 11-07-2009 @ 09:14:13 Reply | Top | Edit  Bummer! -- 94 Formula M6 - Jackie - I love my Formy! 
 
RedLT4Mike named my DD Kia BASTARD CHILD and it stuck - AKA BC Posted By: JerseyFrank On: 11-07-2009 @ 09:23:26 Reply | Top | Edit any sort of auto racing is expensive. if your worried about cost, look up track and field. zimbabwe folks win marathons and dashes all the time. they never win bajas f1 or nascar tho. -- Current: 2004 Deville, bone stock livery. Posted By: crunkmaro 
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don't get discouraged. i suggest an actual race trans if you are going to track it. burnouts aren't too easy on the trans either... -- Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-01-2009 @ 00:00:56 Reply | Top | Edit Sarav, how hard is it to follow Nietzsche? I read Machiavelli's The Prince earlier this year, and the only thing that was clear was to not trust mercenary infantry while fighting on the peninsula. Posted By: ryguy_45832 On: 11-07-2009 @ 11:54:35 Reply | Top | Edit I'd send it off to a more reputable shop if it's already needed to be fixed. Spend the extra $ and build it up the first time. -- 94z28 D.D. slp cai, 3.42's, flowmaster exhaust, and tb bypass. 94z28 13.0@109 (still tweaking) best 60ft:2.22 
 Posted By: drauka On: 11-07-2009 @ 12:20:44 Reply | Top | Edit Yeah, everyone told me this guy was good. If the output shaft broke it's not really his fault, but I don't know if its that or not. I told him I'm racing it and need it to hold power, he said blah blah blah it'll be great. I guess I didn't make the best choice. Thanks for the support guys. I don't mind spending the money, I just don't have much left. Heh. Visa is gonna love me. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: drauka On: 11-07-2009 @ 13:05:46 Reply | Top | Edit Do you have to remove the trans to do the output shaft? Or do you just unbolt the tailshaft? -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: Pocket On: 11-07-2009 @ 17:22:57 Reply | Top | Edit You have to completely disassemble the trans to get the output shaft out Just pull the tailshaft to inspect Posted By: drauka On: 11-07-2009 @ 23:18:13 Reply | Top | Edit Ah. I was 99% sure of that, but there was a 1% hope. Ha. The tow truck picked it up from cecil county dragway and is storing it for free until monday when he'll then drop it off at the shop for me. The tow was a fortune but with good reason (I live in baltimore, that's a 40 mile tow at 10pm). The shop is going to be doing everything, I just hope his workmanship warranty covers it. If it's the shaft than it wouldn't be covered. Thanks for the info. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: TransAm64 On: 11-08-2009 @ 03:07:30 Reply | Top | Edit You are full of shit......Nobody could have the bad luck that you do and admit it. Then you post dumb responses to your own questions. I'm calling a HUGE BS on this douchebag. -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon.  Posted By: TransAm64 On: 11-08-2009 @ 03:09:37 Reply | Top | Edit You have FREE storage AND you have a WARRANTY.... Show some proof! -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. Posted By: TransAm64 On: 11-08-2009 @ 03:29:53 Reply | Top | Edit Next story will be a free 12 bolt rear-end to settle out of court for the broken output shaft. I don't believe a word of it. Pics or you are FULL OF BS!!! -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. Posted By: HBHRacing On: 11-08-2009 @ 08:40:58 Reply | Top | Edit Your not going to get a race trans out of a local rebuild, period. If you want a trans that will handle the track, you need to buy one that's made to handle it. Posted By: drauka On: 11-08-2009 @ 10:17:09 Reply | Top | Edit Below is a link to a video of my track run where I didn't leave the line because it blew up in the burnout. Now granted, I could be faking it by not launching it and then getting out of my car, so that's easy to call BS on: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aRE3ZyaaZI06YFLwwNNK5g?feat=directlink Below are links to 3 pics of my receipt from the rebuild. You'll see the parts he used and the cost, and then the warranty and the price for the labor on the right. Again, I could have photoshopped this or stolen one of his invoices and made up my own, so I don't expect you to believe this either: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/alxYZ56ED12n9lCYRqDMaw?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WWEWY7Pu_zCH-ZMoro9QMA?feat=directlink http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/vDWZiaY-uSKs8m1Oas7w4w?feat=directlink I haven't paid for the tow truck yet (he said as long as he has my car he doesn't think I'll skip town). When I go, I can post a tow truck receipt. I'll ask him to keep any broken parts so that I can take pics. I'm not sure if it is the output shaft, the guys at the track said it "seems" like it. I don't know if there are telltale signs of that. What responses do you find "dumb" to the questions I asked? And I'm pretty upset by the whole ordeal, don't misunderstand me. I just blew $1700 and it's broken in less than a week and will possibly cost me another $500+. I really don't have that kind of money to be blowing, but I have no choice. So I'm making light of the situation so I don't flip out and cry. Thank you to all that gave advice. I really didn't know there was a difference between a "Race" trans and one that has beefed up parts. He told me it'll handle 450+ rwhp and low 11 second passes. I only had his word to go by. I've learned my lesson. It's only going back to him because the warranty "might" cover this. If you need any other proof I'll try my best to furnish it quickly. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: HBHRacing On: 11-08-2009 @ 13:43:19 Reply | Top | Edit A race trans is going to cost you 3 grand easy. A $1700 rebuild is just that, a rebuild. I doubt the guy did shit other than a basic normal rebuild or it would have cost you double. I don't care what he promised, its not a performance rebuild. Anyone remember this same story from pink dink? Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-08-2009 @ 14:03:49 Reply | Top | Edit Don't worry about him. He's always been an asshole. -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6  Posted By: drauka On: 11-08-2009 @ 21:06:29 Reply | Top | Edit See that, I did not know, Harlan. I really honestly thought the people like FLT and Performabuilt just did a rebuild with good parts. I really didn't know that their race transmissions were different. If you look at the first or second pic I posted links to it lists the things he did. Does that stuff sound reasonable? What exactly do they do with race transmissions that makes them handle more power or hard launches? What do I sacrifice? Fuel mileage? Driveability? Some power? Thanks all. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: Pocket On: 11-08-2009 @ 21:10:47 Reply | Top | Edit What exactly do they do with race transmissions that makes them handle more power or hard launches? Pretty much every internal is a beefier aftermarket unit and the case is often machined in places to account for the oversize pieces Posted By: drauka On: 11-08-2009 @ 21:24:53 Reply | Top | Edit Hm, i can't believe that after reading the automatic trans section on LS1tech for like 2 months straight, and looking at all the manufacturers websites that I didn't come across that info. Really wish I would've known all this. Do you guys find it weird that I'm breaking stuff with the minimal HP i'm making? I mean, with my mods I'm probably making no more than 350 at the wheels, tops. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: Pocket On: 11-08-2009 @ 21:45:43 Reply | Top | Edit I highly doubt you snapped an output shaft. A gear failure from an improper rebuild seems more likely Posted By: drauka On: 11-08-2009 @ 21:56:45 Reply | Top | Edit That would be awesome, that means I would not be paying for it. I hate to speculate, so I suppose I'll wait until tomorrow and see what the verdict is. I'm telling them to save all broken parts so i can inspect them. I don't want to take the chance of them "saying" it wasn't their fault. I saw that output shafts run $400+, that would be awful. Ok fellas, hopefully I have better news tomorrow. Thanks for the support. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: redz28 On: 11-08-2009 @ 22:04:04 Reply | Top | Edit I hate autos. I had my stock one blow up and then I got a built one from summit for 1600 bucks that lasted about 8 months. There just garbage. If u want an auto go with a turbo 350 or turbo 400. I had a turbo 400 in my 94 lt1. It was easy to do. Just get the t56 k-member and u use the a4 mount a spohn adjustable torque arm. 168 tooth flywheel. A starter from a 78 camaro that was only 22 bucks lol. And a shorter drive shaft. Spohn performance sells the drive shafts to. I also had a 3500 stall. I liked the setup just not on the highway. -- 1997 Camaro Z28 m6  Posted By: drauka On: 11-08-2009 @ 22:19:09 Reply | Top | Edit I do a lot of highway driving. I don't mind paying a few hundred extra dollars to get a transmission that will last. Is it unreasonable to want an auto that i can race as well as drive on the highway? I know i'll lose a few MPG, but i don't want to go from 22highway to 10. But I'm not sure if that's possible. heh. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: Pocket On: 11-08-2009 @ 22:32:48 Reply | Top | Edit Dont go TH350/400 on anything that sees regular highway usage. A properly build 4L60E will handle it Output shafts are hard to mess up, if all else fails buy a core tranny and pull the shaft from it. Around here cores go for around $50 Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-09-2009 @ 01:21:59 Reply | Top | Edit Actually, I have a performabuilt pro-series race tranny in my car ill sell to you. It's in my V6 so it would need a different input shaft/pump stator though. -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 Posted By: crunkmaro
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nuffin wrong with 4l60e's. Posted By: Pocket On: 11-09-2009 @ 08:48:07 Reply | Top | Edit Bellhousing is different too Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-09-2009 @ 13:14:33 Reply | Top | Edit yeah, but he should have that lol. -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 Posted By: shocktrp On: 11-10-2009 @ 03:00:40 Reply | Top | Edit You brought your car from the track to the shop with ET Streets on it for warranty work? Sounds like you gave him an excuse to bill you for the repair. Good luck. -- http://obamaclock.org/ 
"If it ain't broke, fix it until it is!" - US Congress Posted By: TransAm64 On: 11-10-2009 @ 03:23:53 Reply | Top | Edit My response will be short and sweet. You have shown your proof, sorry to see that you got screwed so bad for for your trans work. I hope you get it fixed RIGHT asap. Take the experts advise and build a race trans for racing. As {obsidiansixer} said.....I've always been an asshole here.....I'm ok with that.( {roudenbird} will back him up ) I always call BS if it doesn't make sense. Maybe your whole "Binding issue" was a bearing failure in the tail housing or output shaft area of the trans. ? From your initial post it still doesn't make sense if you pulled the driveshaft before the first rebuild! ......mechanically your description simply does not make sense. Maybe the descpription is being lost in translation here online, but IT MAKES NO SENSE! These guys here may be hard on me for being honest, but I never back down when it comes to reality. Sorry you spent so much for a seemingly simple problem. I wish you luck. -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. Posted By: lt1_fool On: 11-10-2009 @ 08:13:52 Reply | Top | Edit http://www.cpt4l60-e.com/products.html Tell him you want the parts from the stage 3 build. Print it off and make sure he sees the price too. --  Posted By: drauka On: 11-10-2009 @ 09:29:58 Reply | Top | Edit My girl said the same thing about the ET streets, and if it was a dealership warranty than yes, I'd feel like a real idiot. But when this guy built the trans I told him I want it for the track. All of our correspondence was with me specifically asking for a trans that can handle over 400 rwhp. He specifically said he builds them all the time, blah blah blah, low 11's, 450 HP, blah blah blah. I know now that I should've gone with the race trans, but I had to make a quick decision at the time. Thanks for the support, fellas. I'm going to call the shop around noon to see if they got it torn apart. I'll update it then. And to Kevin: I don't mind someone being skeptical on the internet. I know there are a lot of people spouting BS. I have never been one of the people. I've been around for quite a few years and have established at least a little reputation as not being a lying immature kid. Asking for proof is reasonable, but please do so in a more polite and respectful manner in the future. Please don't take this as anything more than me trying to keep the peace on a very close-knit internet group of 'friends'. In regards to the binding, even the shop said he found nothing that would cause that when he tore it apart. Maybe I should have been concerned that he didn't KNOW what was causing it, but it went away after the rebuild and so i ignored it. Thank you. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: Green97TAMachine On: 11-10-2009 @ 11:37:17 Reply | Top | Edit Wow, I've never had a better chance to tell someone "I told ya so!". But you know what? I'm not gonna  -- 
1997 Mystic Teal Trans Am Best Time: 13.984@102.99Mph  Posted By: drauka On: 11-10-2009 @ 12:28:38 Reply | Top | Edit I know I know, heh. I deserve it. I'm going to start saving for one from Performabuilt, they seem to have great reviews from the community and a great price on their level 3 or 4. Any input from you folks on Performabuilt? -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: Green97TAMachine On: 11-10-2009 @ 12:51:53 Reply | Top | Edit Well, i know Joe just broke into the 10's with his Performabuilt tranny. http://www.fbody.com/lt1/298974 Edit: I think the level 2 would be overkill for what you have/want, but it's not all that much more expensive than the level 1. 4L60E LS1 LS2 LSX 1998+ Transmissions Without converter. $1840.00 http://www.performabuilt.com/level-2.html -- 1997 Mystic Teal Trans Am Best Time: 13.984@102.99Mph [ Edited on 11/10/2009 @ 12:57:57 ] Posted By: drauka On: 11-10-2009 @ 13:07:45 Reply | Top | Edit Yeah I know the level 2 is overkill, but like you said, it's only like $250 more. Do you think it would decrease power (through parasitic loss), or affect driveability any by having the level 2 over the level 1? It also has free shipping, a free cooler and flush kit, a 1 year warranty, and that $950 lifetime rebuild option. I might do their layaway option and by the time i pay it off mine will probably be toasted again.  -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-10-2009 @ 13:19:54 Reply | Top | Edit OK, just ignore me. lol. I have a level 2 Performabuilt 4L60E for sale, shifts awesome, firm and crisp as can be. Basically brand new, maybe 200 miles on it. -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 Posted By: drauka On: 11-10-2009 @ 13:30:27 Reply | Top | Edit Oh were you talking? Just kidding. If you want to email me the details I'll take it into consideration. How old is it? Sorry I didn't respond to that earlier. Brian4888@gmail.com -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-10-2009 @ 13:46:26 Reply | Top | Edit I live 45 minutes from Waldorf, MD. The tranny is about 9 months old? But has just been sitting in my garage since I blew the sixer. haha. Was only in the car running for like 2 weeks? My uncle owns an AAMCO in Waldorf, and said it's no big deal to put a different input shaft/pump stator in it for the v6-v8 conversion. I would also (if you needed it) include the converter, but it wont fit your car. -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 Posted By: drauka On: 11-10-2009 @ 14:31:59 Reply | Top | Edit North of waldorf? I live in Baltimore, which is about 45 minutes from waldorf. So we're 90 minutes from each other max. Would he be willing to replace the shaft and stator for a decent price? I'm not going to do any more tranny internal stuff, heh. Would he just take mine off? Or do I need a new one? Do you think the warranty will transfer from performabuilt? If not it's no big deal. Thanks. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: crunkmaro
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don't get all butthurt over this ricky... but drauka, with your luck, don't buy used shit. pay a little more the first time and it'll pay off. i guarantee it. you nor ricky have no idea whats going on with inside that trans...(again, not trying to implicate anything). i had a performabuilt trans in my sixer (used)...lasted me enough but it was going (line pressure issues...grinding...etc) as well as a performabuilt convertor. i <3 their shit. and their customer service. i called the guy at 11:30pm CST to ask him a question and was on the phone with him for 25 mionutes. Posted By: drauka On: 11-10-2009 @ 16:44:35 Reply | Top | Edit I take no offense to you saying I know nothing about tranny internals. You're right. I'm hoping the shop fixes my trans to the point that I can DD it without racing it. I'll start saving immediately for a new one. I'm leaning toward a new level 2 performabuilt. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: ObsidianSixer On: 11-10-2009 @ 17:16:42 Reply | Top | Edit Well, if the input shaft/pump stator in your tranny is good, it can be transferred, with free labor from my uncles shop. What crunk said is true, but I never handled my tranny mechanically without the supervision of a transmission professional in the AAMCO shop. I don't know the condition you bought your trans in, but I give you my word, mine is barely used. It is up to you though. 
I still love you crunk. -- 1997 T-70 Turbo V6 Camaro 1998 Firebird V6 2007 Ford Fusion SEL-V6 Posted By: crunkmaro
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^thanks. i just am realllly against using used driveline parts...minus driveshafts...even then i still have my worries! gluck drauka. Posted By: drauka On: 11-10-2009 @ 20:50:33 Reply | Top | Edit Let me know what price you're looking for Ricky. On here or via email. I'm not going to turn down any options just yet. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35
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