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Binding in reverse, a little in forward, trans issue? Posted By: drauka On: 10-17-2009 @ 18:28:56 Reply | Edit Okay, i just finished installing a new trans pump rotor and all those goodies and I got everything back together (99 ta, 4l60e). Seemed to go together great. Tried running it through the gears and i have forward alright, but slow, and reverse is locked. If i give it gas it'll go, but as soon as i let off it's like i'm slamming the brakes. I have to rev it to almost 2000 to get to it roll. I know it's not the torque converter because I've used that TC for a few hundred miles and while I did need to give it more gas, it was not binding. Also, I was on my steep driveway and when I put the trans in neutral, it will still not roll backward but will roll forward. Is this a trans issue or a driveshaft/rearend issue? And how could this have formed in just the time it took to replace the trans parts? The only thing i did was jack up just the right side of the car to get the driveshaft back in the rear end yoke, and i rotated the DS by hand while the left tire was still on the ground. Could that have caused any damage? Would a stuck check ball be the issue? My 2nd gear ( i think) checkball was stuck in the plate when i dropped it and the plate was mushroomed a little. E-brake stuck? But it rolls in forward. Thanks all, this is most unexpected after I just got done fixing the trans. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35  Posted By: Pocket On: 10-17-2009 @ 19:31:25 Reply | Top | Edit Not a DS issue unless you jacked the car up by it Ebrake will roll easier in R than forward since R is a lower gear ratio. Thats out Since it appears locked in a certain gear, try adjusting the shifter linkage If thats good then you're back to trans internal issues. Maybe its simple like a stuck checkball but I dont know Consult the transmission forum of a choice site for detailed info on that Posted By: drauka On: 10-17-2009 @ 22:33:05 Reply | Top | Edit You just told me lots of things I don't want to hear. Hah. Thank you. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 10-17-2009 @ 23:39:24 Reply | Top | Edit  looks like it may be fubar'd!--  Posted By: drauka On: 10-17-2009 @ 23:43:09 Reply | Top | Edit I don't wanna drop my trans again. Atleast I can drive it to the shop and don't need a tow! Heh Theres $75! -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 10-17-2009 @ 23:45:31 Reply | Top | Edit Honestly, i would not drive it with the situation your expressing. i can't imagine it surviving the drive to the shop. -- Posted By: Pocket On: 10-17-2009 @ 23:48:14 Reply | Top | Edit Drop the pan to get to that stuff. No need to pull the whole trans Posted By: drauka On: 10-18-2009 @ 00:11:20 Reply | Top | Edit To get to what stuff though? Do you think it's just the seperator plate/check balls? Valve body? I'm comfortable with removing the valve body, I could do it with my eyes closed. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 10-18-2009 @ 00:39:27 Reply | Top | Edit i cant believe a check ball would hold the tranny in an inappropriate gear, but then again what do i know? -- Posted By: drauka On: 10-18-2009 @ 10:02:39 Reply | Top | Edit It's not really holding a gear, in neutral it doesn't roll but if i give it gas it will not roll forward or backward. In forward it goes forward alright but a little sluggish, in reverse it goes back but with a lot of gas. It just feels like something is binding somehow. Bah. I agree with you that it's not a checkball. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: drauka On: 10-19-2009 @ 17:00:18 Reply | Top | Edit I just drove it around the block, it is better but by no means good. It seems like I have no second (or subsequent) gear as well. Still will not roll in neutral. That rules out a check ball or solenoid or something being disconnected right? -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: TransAm64 On: 10-20-2009 @ 03:52:39 Reply | Top | Edit Does the car roll free with the engine off? -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon.  Posted By: drauka On: 10-20-2009 @ 10:35:36 Reply | Top | Edit Ahh, good thought! I'll go check! ....10 minutes later: Couldn't push it in neutral if i tried! It's stuck with the engine on or off. Still drives and reverses but only with a lot of revs. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: drauka On: 10-20-2009 @ 15:45:18 Reply | Top | Edit Okay, i gave up, it's at the shop. If it needs to be dropped than I wasn't about to do it again. My gf told me "Apparently you're no good at transmission work". So i feel like less of a man now, i have to go cry....and save $1200 for a rebuild. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: TransAm64 On: 10-21-2009 @ 01:46:09 Reply | Top | Edit Pull the DS and see if it rolls ......sounds like it may be easier for you to just get out your wallet and let a qualified tech find the problem. Sounds like a brake issue to me. -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. [ Edited on 10/21/2009 @ 01:53:31 ] Posted By: drauka On: 10-21-2009 @ 14:47:36 Reply | Top | Edit I thought brakes, but if it was it would not go forward. I drove it to the shop and got it up to 45 mpg without too much effort. The shifts were wacky but it wasnt grinding or binding or anything. Reverse was bindy and grindy though. And neutral is park. The shop is ripping it up now. We'll see by 5pm. On another note I bought a transgo seperator plate to replace my old one that was mushrooming and the balls were punching through. This plate is MUCH thicker. It must be 2-3 times thicker than stock and zinc coated. That is all for now. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: TransAm64 On: 10-22-2009 @ 02:00:05 Reply | Top | Edit Let us know the outcome. -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. Posted By: drauka On: 10-22-2009 @ 16:49:03 Reply | Top | Edit 2-4 band and reverse clutches blowed up. $1500 for a remove, rebuild, reinstall. Alto clutch packs, wide band, beast sunshell, blah blah blah the normal stuff. 1 year warranty parts and labor, discounted labor after the 1yr. Guaranteed to 450 rwhp. Sound reasonable? -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: Green97TAMachine On: 10-22-2009 @ 17:00:16 Reply | Top | Edit Sounds like you can buy one already built up a bit (good for 500rwhp), for around what they want to charge you ($1,600 with no converter). http://www.performabuiltautomatics.com/GMCars012008.html --  1997 Mystic Teal Trans Am Best Time: 13.984@102.99Mph  [ Edited on 10/22/2009 @ 17:09:55 ] Posted By: drauka On: 10-22-2009 @ 23:33:46 Reply | Top | Edit Well, you're right, except that does not include the removal and reinstall. I know I can do it myself, but i'm just really sick of dropping it and taking the chance on not installing it right. Also I don't know if 1600 covers shipping. So that trans would run 2200 or more after shipping and installation. That's a lot more than 1500 and doesn't help if it breaks. Even if there's a warranty, i have to drop it myself and ship it back. You're right about it being a (possibly) better trans, but this is warranted for a year and he said this setup has gone 11.1-11.3's before needing beefier parts in all of his customer's cars. I've heard good things and he also did my dodge truck trans rebuild for $800 (this thing had sludge in the pan and was torn to pieces, it literally had no liquid fluid left). At this point I'm just trying to rationalize it. Heh. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: TransAm64 On: 10-23-2009 @ 04:05:14 Reply | Top | Edit It's the internet.....I guess I can't expect less. You can read every message board out there and it will NEVER give you the skills to do the job yourself. This post screams  but, I can only judge a book by its cover. Good luck man.-- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. [ Edited on 10/23/2009 @ 04:06:11 ] Posted By: drauka On: 10-23-2009 @ 15:04:53 Reply | Top | Edit Thanks! Basically the warranty is what got me. A year warranty on a trans seems decent to me. Maybe it's not, but it's worth a few dollars. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: drauka On: 10-27-2009 @ 09:18:26 Reply | Top | Edit Just got a call, the case had a crack in it where the pump bolts in. Gonna be another $200 for a new case and another 2 days lead time. By the time I get this thing back it'll be snowing and raining. How the hell do you crack a case? I can't imagine how i possibly did that. Now it IS getting to the point that I should've just bought a FLT or performabuilt unit. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: Green97TAMachine On: 10-27-2009 @ 15:51:02 Reply | Top | Edit I tried to tell you... --
1997 Mystic Teal Trans Am Best Time: 13.984@102.99Mph Posted By: Pocket On: 10-27-2009 @ 17:42:07 Reply | Top | Edit To disassemble a LSx 4L60E you must remove the bellhousing which is locktite'd on and has some retarded torx bits. Using an impact gun on these is a sure fire way to bust a case right at the thin ring around the pump, which is exactly what he did. Read the DIY trans rebuild threads on LS1tech and see how its quite common Posted By: drauka On: 10-27-2009 @ 18:02:01 Reply | Top | Edit I used three long bolts to "pull" the pump in....it seemed to go in great, I torqued the pump bolts to spec and they were all great. He said my top pump bolt was only hand tight, so something was definitely wrong. I know see why it's important to remove the bellhousing. Some of the threads said you CAN do it without removing the bellhousing. Sure you CAN, but you probably shouldn't And yeah, you tried to tell me, but i still get a year warranty and don't have to install it myself for a LITTLE cheaper than an internet trans. We'll see. Most likely lightning will strike a telephone pole and it'll fall through the shop door and land right on my transmission and i'll need to buy something else for it. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: TransAm64 On: 10-28-2009 @ 02:54:10 Reply | Top | Edit That still doesn't explain this......"Couldn't push it in neutral if i tried! It's stuck with the engine on or off." Did you leave it in park during this test? -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. Posted By: drauka On: 10-28-2009 @ 14:53:03 Reply | Top | Edit He even said he didn't see anything in the trans that would cause it to bind. I really don't know why it was binding and he doesn't either. But it's a full service shop so maybe i'll be getting a new differential too. What's another $2000?. Pfft. No one knows why it could be binding. It was not in park, that's for sure. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: TransAm64 On: 10-29-2009 @ 01:31:20 Reply | Top | Edit There is nothing in the trans that would cause this except for an issue with the Park pawl or an output shaft issue.....Both would be identified by manually turning the driveshaft with the right side tire on the ground and the trans in neutral. I still have to call on this story. sorry. -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. [ Edited on 10/29/2009 @ 01:43:25 ] Posted By: drauka On: 10-29-2009 @ 02:12:48 Reply | Top | Edit Ha, BS on what? You don't think my car is actually broken? Or what? I couldn't think of anything else to try when I had the car. I jacked it and disassembled it and it was still jammed. I couldn't just have the car sitting there indefinitely. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: drauka On: 10-29-2009 @ 10:49:26 Reply | Top | Edit So I was just thinking, they dropped my trans and then pushed the car across their lot to store it. If it was a rear end issue it would've presented itself then. Removing the driveshaft did the trick apparetly, so it would HAVE to be a transmission issue right? The driveshaft can't cause a bind issue that bad can it? Maybe U-Joints are bad, but that's only a few bucks. What do you think? -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: TransAm64 On: 10-30-2009 @ 00:19:47 Reply | Top | Edit If I read this thread from top to bottom things just don't add up. That's why I call . It just does not make sense. The bragging about 1 yr warranty VS a kick ass bulletproof trans suggested by Josh just seems arrogant and quite frankly, rude. Your problem is simple to diagnose and by your own statements you have already taken the steps to diagnose the problem. If you are skilled enough to tear into a 4L60E, then you certainly must be smart enough to find a simple "binding" issue. I think you are full of . Just another internet wanna-be mechanic reading through way to many message boards. If you do have a real problem, feel free to ask but loose the arrogance. Just M.H.O. -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. [ Edited on 10/30/2009 @ 01:18:30 ] Posted By: drauka On: 10-30-2009 @ 10:37:01 Reply | Top | Edit My car is at a shop right now being repaired because I don't have the ability or knowledge to fix it myself. There's a thread on here and ls1tech asking what the problem can be based on the steps I've taken and the information I have. I've tried every step you and others have given to try to diagnose the problem and I've updated the thread accordingly. I just went back and read my posts to see where my arrogance could come in, and if you're referring to when I said "I can do it myself" I meant that I can drop it and reinstall it myself, not fix it or rebuild it. Josh's suggestion is a very good one, a new trans would solve all the problems, except the fact that at the time it would've cost me a lot more than $1500 (shipping, reinstalling it, fluid, etc). I was never sarcastic or arrogant, if i was than i wouldn't be asking for help from all of you. I apologize to anyone that feels that I was anything less than desperate for help in fixing a problem I'm not knowledgeable enough to fix. I'm a good parts changer but no mechanic and never want to portray myself as such. I'm very confused by your posts about my problem being BS. I'm not sure if you mean there is no problem, or that I'm making it up. I appreciate everyone's help and time, as always. Thank you. Brian -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: 95ttoplt1 On: 10-30-2009 @ 16:04:04 Reply | Top | Edit 
I read the entire thing and don't see where you were arrogant at all. I actually see it exactley the opposite way. --  Posted By: drauka On: 10-30-2009 @ 16:19:32 Reply | Top | Edit I'm not trying to start an argument, just finish it. I know a lot can get lost in translation on the internet and I'm sorry if it came off as anything other than a plea for help from a fellow fbody member. I've been around here for a while and I try my best to "get along" with everyone. Thank you for your support. The good news is I just got the car back and it works flawlessly. It actually works better than it did before it exploded. I didn't know that you could "feel" a rebuild, but I can definitely feel a seat of the pants difference. Maybe I'm lying and it's because I've been driving a slow ass grand prix for 4 weeks but it feels like it. Grand total was $1700, 12 month warranty on workmanship and 50% off broken parts (within reason). I don't know if it's a good deal or not but it seems to be working great. I'm not going to beat on it or take it to the track until i get a cooler put in. Thanks again to everyone that tried to help, I appreciate your assistance. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: Green97TAMachine On: 10-30-2009 @ 16:22:21 Reply | Top | Edit Glad you got it all ironed out and you're happy with it! --
1997 Mystic Teal Trans Am Best Time: 13.984@102.99Mph Posted By: roubenbird On: 10-30-2009 @ 19:56:37 Reply | Top | Edit This makes me laugh. TA64 tried to call BS when I was hit by a Drunk Driver too. So don't read too much into him. Other than the BS calling, he seems alright IMO. -- Being rebuilt, It'll take a while:  WS6 3o5 TBI 88' Formula, 670cfm Holley Projection Throttle Body Holley Projection Intake Mainfold, Underdrive Pulley,Dual Snorkle & Factory Cowl Induction,now with short straight pipes, UMI Subframe connectors, Fourth Gen seats, Three row Radiator, Posi rear end (2.73),TPI heads, 1.6 roller rockers 15.543 @ 88.21mph [ Edited on 10/30/2009 @ 19:57:01 ] Posted By: TransAm64 On: 10-31-2009 @ 00:11:08 Reply | Top | Edit I won't back down from my personal opinions, Ben knows that. If your car is broken I am fully supportive to you asking for advise to get it fixed. To me it makes NO SENSE that the steps you took to fix the car didn't clue you in to what was really wrong with it. If you are clueless when it comes to transmissions that is fine. I've seen way to many people come on to the boards acting like they know everything and saying things that are IMPOSSIBLE. Wether it is a difference of "terminology" or not......Your situation as described is not logical. If you didn't tear apart the trans before your first post, then that makes sense. It's ok, we are all still in the F-Body family. I'm glad to hear that your car is fixed. PS....Got your car done yet Benny? -- 00' Trans Am convertible, M6 ,K&N, Edelbrock exhaust. SLP Loudmouth coming soon. [ Edited on 10/31/2009 @ 00:24:36 ] Posted By: drauka On: 10-31-2009 @ 09:06:48 Reply | Top | Edit Well I never tore the trans apart other than removing the pump to fix it. I never removed the actual internals which is most likely what was binding somehow. I'm sure it was my fault that it was binding due to improper installation but I had no idea of how to fix that. It turns out the case was cracked where I pulled the pump in with bolts. So it's obvious that I don't know what the hell I'm doing in terms of transmissions. -- '99 T/A Pewter A4 - SLP Lid, SLP LM, Pacesetter LT's, ORY, Trans-go HD2, !emissions, Tuned by Frost, Custom Floormats! 12.98@108.35 Posted By: roubenbird On: 10-31-2009 @ 17:21:53 Reply | Top | Edit Pulled the motor today actually. Now I just have to switch transmissions and put it back in. -- Being rebuilt, It'll take a while:
WS6 3o5 TBI 88' Formula, 670cfm Holley Projection Throttle Body Holley Projection Intake Mainfold, Underdrive Pulley,Dual Snorkle & Factory Cowl Induction,now with short straight pipes, UMI Subframe connectors, Fourth Gen seats, Three row Radiator, Posi rear end (2.73),TPI heads, 1.6 roller rockers 15.543 @ 88.21mph Posted By: PCLZ28 On: 11-01-2009 @ 08:55:08 Reply | Top | Edit Internal automatic transmission work is a very sensitive job. Should only be done be people with the knowledge and experience to do it. I know pro's who still have issues with automatics. Glad you got it fixed. Happy cruising. -- 
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