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You know what...I'm All for Universal Health Care...

Posted By: crunkmaro On: 08-14-2009 @ 03:57:54         Reply | Edit
As long as the universe works for it.
I don't understand why the people who don't work, who can't provide anything for society, and keep adding more lives into a crowded system get to live for free while the working man has to pay for his own life AS WELL as the other's.

1) Get rid of illegals. i don't give two shits what they are doing here...we don't need them. I cut my own grass, clean my own toilets, make my own mexican food etc etc. My parents came here the legal way and are now PROUD citizens both by time spent in the country AND by taking the proper tests (english comprehension, us constitution tests, us history tests, us law tests).

2) Change welfare systems around...instead of those who DON'T work getting benefits, how about the people who DO work get free insurance, free baby formula, monthly food stipends (food stamps), low tax deductions... You want to stimulate the economy? take away the expenses of people WITH MONEY, not of the people who can't spend shit anyway.

3) Free market...you know, the stuff this country is based upon? let it back you socialist piece of crap.

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Anything past this point is SEVERELY controversial...read at your OWN RISK. If you are offended, it is your OWN fault.


4) Sterilization, if your iq is below a certain standard, if you are incapable of basic knowledge tests, basically, if you are not 100% able to care for offspring...snip snip.

5) Re-instate the death penalty...everywhere. If you want to be a low-life piece of crap, you will pay for it with your life. i'm not going to feed you three square meals a day with fresh underwear and fresh clothes every day.



just a couple of my thoughts.
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-01-2009 @ 00:00:56 Reply | Top | Edit
Sarav, how hard is it to follow Nietzsche? I read Machiavelli's The Prince earlier this year, and the only thing that was clear was to not trust mercenary infantry while fighting on the peninsula.

Posted By: GOATS2QUICK On: 08-14-2009 @ 04:22:17     Reply | Top | Edit
ill vote for you.
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Posted By: stevethepirate On: 08-14-2009 @ 04:28:19     Reply | Top | Edit
I can dig it.
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Posted By: 1988irocz On: 08-14-2009 @ 05:32:23     Reply | Top | Edit
What you're talking about borders dangerously on Utilitarian bioethics. A philosophy that embodies the antihuman essence of fasicsm, expresses the contempt for individual freedom and for the disabled and frail that has in the past marked every form of totalitarianism.

I would love to talk about or debate all the things you said with you, but not through typing. You want to chat about it sometime I'll email you my phone number and we can have a nice civilized discussion about it. For real.
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Posted By: cmerc On: 08-14-2009 @ 06:14:50     Reply | Top | Edit
I agree with everything crunk said 1000%, except point #4 which I understand, but haven't given enough thought.
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Posted By: 4Birdman On: 08-14-2009 @ 07:43:59     Reply | Top | Edit
Dude, #2 would be awesome. I could buy a Ferrari if I didn't have to pay all that shit.
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Posted By: crunkmaro On: 08-14-2009 @ 12:24:22     Reply | Top | Edit
i've seen the type of people that are "disabled" and "frail", and it is a joke. our system for determining these criteria is a joke as well. Veterans who have sacrificed more than we can imagine are being raped when it comes to healthcare costs, living costs and "personal freedom..." whereas people who 1) shouldn't be here in the first place 2) are here and unemployed 3) have 7 kids just to get money from the govt' 4) are lying about their assets (driving around in 60k+ luxury suvs) and 5) have no respect for this country other than the fact that there is FREEDOM walk away with free healthcare, free food, free taxes, and even a stipend for free misc expenses...

all on the dollar of the hardworking american citizen.



Obv points 4 and 5 are just the rant of a sleepy and angry Crunk, and stem from personal views rather than an actual philosophical view.

Facism was the shit until "the corporate state" and the axis powers turned it into a pejorative phrase. Nonetheless, it has no place in a modern gov't mantra...


I digress...i've spent enough years arguing philosophy, and as of recent...i've spent too much wasted time and raised my blood pressure enough "discussing" philosophy with "Google Philosophers" to even warrant a chance that I may have an actual intellectual conversation.

(it's really hard to question/debate the concept of a Christian God via a logical proof when the person you are talking to has no idea theres a field of study CALLED logic )

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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-01-2009 @ 00:00:56 Reply | Top | Edit
Sarav, how hard is it to follow Nietzsche? I read Machiavelli's The Prince earlier this year, and the only thing that was clear was to not trust mercenary infantry while fighting on the peninsula.
[ Edited on 08/14/2009 @ 15:36:44 ]

Posted By: Fattie On: 08-14-2009 @ 14:00:47     Reply | Top | Edit
i agree!
that is all

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Posted By: cmerc On: 08-14-2009 @ 14:39:12     Reply | Top | Edit
Crunk, I feel your pain for the most partand suffer most of the frustrations you do, I even agree with the essence of your final statement, but if it were me, then I would rather use the word DEBATE, rather than DISPROVE, as it makes you just as dogmatic as we Christians are accused of being.
FYI, I work with a very close friend who has the same views as you and many others do, and while we have totaly opposite views, we are quite able to debate the validity of a Soverign God, and at the end of the day respected each others views without digressing to name calling and hatred etc.
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Posted By: crunkmaro On: 08-14-2009 @ 15:36:11     Reply | Top | Edit
^good point pops.
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-01-2009 @ 00:00:56 Reply | Top | Edit
Sarav, how hard is it to follow Nietzsche? I read Machiavelli's The Prince earlier this year, and the only thing that was clear was to not trust mercenary infantry while fighting on the peninsula.

Posted By: cmerc On: 08-14-2009 @ 17:25:48     Reply | Top | Edit
thanks, young'un
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Posted By: Pocket On: 08-14-2009 @ 20:49:25     Reply | Top | Edit
wOot

Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-14-2009 @ 22:39:38     Reply | Top | Edit
As long as the universe works for it.


Well, the outside edge of the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light, so I would say healthcare and 10 vacation days a year should be just compensation.
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Posted By: crunkmaro On: 08-14-2009 @ 23:42:12     Reply | Top | Edit
i hate you justin...i really do. jackass!
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-01-2009 @ 00:00:56 Reply | Top | Edit
Sarav, how hard is it to follow Nietzsche? I read Machiavelli's The Prince earlier this year, and the only thing that was clear was to not trust mercenary infantry while fighting on the peninsula.

Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-15-2009 @ 00:37:33     Reply | Top | Edit
Thank you, thank you! Autographs in the lobby.
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Posted By: Rynb15 On: 08-15-2009 @ 06:30:05     Reply | Top | Edit
well said. But now i have to go work on this nice sat morning on overtime pay so i can help feed some family other than mine.
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Posted By: Jeremiah On: 08-15-2009 @ 12:28:28     Reply | Top | Edit
That is soooooooo nice of you!

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Posted By: crunkmaro On: 08-15-2009 @ 12:34:26     Reply | Top | Edit
you think thats bad? i get it on both ends. I work and get fica taken away...

and then i have to dispense shit free of charge...lol


and illinois is about 4 months back on its reimbursement for medications. i can't wait until they finally say "hey we have no money...sorry suckers!"
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-01-2009 @ 00:00:56 Reply | Top | Edit
Sarav, how hard is it to follow Nietzsche? I read Machiavelli's The Prince earlier this year, and the only thing that was clear was to not trust mercenary infantry while fighting on the peninsula.

Posted By: ThumperNC24 On: 08-15-2009 @ 17:57:07     Reply | Top | Edit
it is all nice to think of it like this, but that is never, ever, in the world going to happen.

also i can't say i agree with 4. Although they may go for the 'greater good', hitler thought the same thing about what he was doing.

I agree with 5, but only for death penalty worthy crimes.
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-15-2009 @ 21:20:10     Reply | Top | Edit
4. How would you measure intelligence and logic? All tests for intelligence are deeply flawed. Look at MENSA, which is what, the 99th percentile? It is filled with high IQ people who believe some of the dumbest shit, even more than the general populous. Off the top of my head, I recall Reiki to be very big among MENSA members. For those who don't know, Reiki (pronounced: bool'shit) is Japanese healing by laying of the hands.

I'll get to 5 after I get out of work.
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Posted By: cmerc On: 08-15-2009 @ 22:10:34     Reply | Top | Edit
good logic Justin, although I am a bit tuned
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-15-2009 @ 23:32:52     Reply | Top | Edit
Ok, so now on to the death penalty. You realize that the appeals process brings the cost of 1 execution to being more, on average, than life imprisonment? By a decently large amount too.

Also, how many innocents are you willing to execute? What is a reasonable amount of error? Look at your own state and the Death Row Ten. A crooked cop beat confessions out of innocent men that led to ten death row convictions. The cop was later fired, but it still took fifteen more years to clear some of the DRT. The others are still waiting for their appeals.
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Posted By: 1988irocz On: 08-16-2009 @ 00:59:54     Reply | Top | Edit
Not too mention there are only about 3000 prisoners on death row in the United states. Not that big of a number.

What needs to happen in prisons is to take everything away from them. Do prisons like Joe Arpaio down in Arizona. We also need to focus on rehabilitain rather than just punishment.
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Posted By: Jeremiah On: 08-16-2009 @ 01:03:54     Reply | Top | Edit
^ I like the idea of not making prison a cake walk and that can double as rehabilitation because they won't want to go back! That sheriff in AZ is my hero The majority of crimes are done by repeat offenders.
Ok, so now on to the death penalty. You realize that the appeals process brings the cost of 1 execution to being more, on average, than life imprisonment? By a decently large amount too.
How is one shot of death juice more expensive than keeping someone alive for 50 years?


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Posted By: 1988irocz On: 08-16-2009 @ 01:05:19     Reply | Top | Edit
Heres part of an article I read while doing research on prisons.

Since the reinstatement of the death penalty in the 1970s, 130 people have been exonerated from death row in 26 states - roughly one for every nine executed. The most comprehensive study of capital trials ever conducted found that nearly seven of every 10 death sentences handed down by state courts from 1973 to 1995 were overturned due to “serious, reversible error,” including egregiously incompetent defense counsel, suppression of exculpatory evidence, eyewitness misidentification, false confessions, snitch and accomplice testimony, and unreliable forensic science

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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-16-2009 @ 01:54:15     Reply | Top | Edit
How is one shot of death juice more expensive than keeping someone alive for 50 years?


Edited b/c it is 2:30 am and the fucking cats are still fighting outside.

Appeals process, which everyone on death row is going to use. You have to pay for all the fees for all the appeals, assuming they are using a public defender. By the time you actually execute them, you have racked up hundreds of thousands, if not millions if expenses.
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Posted By: Jeremiah On: 08-16-2009 @ 02:04:12     Reply | Top | Edit
I havent done any research, but I'd be willing to bet that the number of false convictions has gone down dramatically over that last 10-15 years. A lot more old convictions are being overturned right now because of available science, but new convictions are pretty solid.
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Posted By: ThumperNC24 On: 08-16-2009 @ 06:15:35     Reply | Top | Edit
justin,

isn't that process available to lifers too?

why are they so much less likely to use it?

I just can't justify not having it. I can't see using it a lot, but there are times, and there are rock solid cases when I think it needs to be there.
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 08-16-2009 @ 10:44:23     Reply | Top | Edit
Yes, but from what I understand, they are much much less likely to use it, and many lifers are plea bargains. They are probably a lot less likely to use it because they aren't going to die. If they want to get out, all they have to do is behave and get paroled (in most cases).

Plus, capital murder trials are far more expensive, and you have the cost of the execution itself, which includes the equipment, keeping the room sterile, and the cost of the employees (who I would wager get paid a fair amount extra for having to flip the switch).

So if we look at someone on death row going through appeals and someone in for life, the difference should come out. OK, so for 20-25 years, both prisoners are incarcerated, but you have to pay a little more to guard death row than your average prison populous. Plus you are paying for all the costs of appeals which includes all the PD and DA costs. For the lifer, you only have to house and feed him for another 15 or so years because the average life expectancy in prison is less than outsiders (most claim that every 2 years in takes 1 year off your life).

I havent done any research, but I'd be willing to bet that the number of false convictions has gone down dramatically over that last 10-15 years.


Again, how many false convictions and executions are you willing to tolerate?

Joe Arpaio is a monster that costs his county fortunes ($50 million+ in lawsuits). More prison condition lawsuits are filed against him and Maricopa County than are for NYC, LA, Houston, and Chicago combined. By 50x more combined. He constantly takes the law into his own hands so far beyond his limits that he is breaking laws, including constitutional law. He holds pretrial (innocent until proven guilty) people in his jail, and his jailing has led to the deaths of several inmates. Like I said, he is a monster. If you want to rehab people, you can't treat them like animals.
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Posted By: GOATS2QUICK On: 08-16-2009 @ 10:52:10     Reply | Top | Edit
im amazed nobody has snuffed Joe Arpaio.
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