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Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 12-31-2007 @ 22:06:20         Reply | Edit
thinking of putting an intake on my 305 untill i get some kind of 350/383 put together. what are some suggestions? i was thinking about an LT4, but what do i gotta do to make an LT4 work? do i need different injectors or fuel rails? does it even work with non vortec heads?

any ideas?
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 09-23-2007 @ 22:29:47     Reply | Top | Edit
Ive heard that doing LT1 and LT4 intake swaps were a HUGE PITA!!!

I mean HUGH!

I'd look it up on TGO though
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WS6 3o5 TBI 88' Formula, 670cfm Holley Projection Throttle Body Holley Projection Intake Mainfold, Underdrive Pulley,Dual Snorkle & Factory Cowl Induction,now with short straight pipes, UMI Subframe connectors, Fourth Gen seats, Three row Radiator, Posi rear end (2.73),TPI heads, 1.6 roller rockers
15.543 @ 88.21mph

Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 09-24-2007 @ 00:06:42     Reply | Top | Edit
ouch. i'll try and look into it but i dont like the TGO website. its not basic like this one. i like this one better for that reason.

is there any real gain out of those intakes? i figured i'd do a LT4 intake and LT4 hot cam, BUT i'd be putting it on my 305 till i had more money to build a stout motor.
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Posted By: CFCAMARO25th On: 09-24-2007 @ 00:16:00     Reply | Top | Edit
tbi?

My Caps Lock Button Is Broken

Posted By: CFCAMARO25th On: 09-24-2007 @ 00:22:39     Reply | Top | Edit
If so go to www.goingfaster.com, all kinds of info on tbi...... enough to keep you busy for at least till the sun rises.

Posted By: Shift On: 09-24-2007 @ 01:15:30     Reply | Top | Edit
Is it even possible to bolt an LT4 intake to a TPI motor?
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Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 09-24-2007 @ 02:48:40     Reply | Top | Edit
thats basically what i was asking shift. i dont know if you gotta use vortec heads or not. i thought a LT style short block was the same as an older style "normal" short block.

CFCAMARO25th, its a TPI car.
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Posted By: Shift On: 09-24-2007 @ 09:25:07     Reply | Top | Edit
Are Vortec heads and LT heads even the same?
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 09-24-2007 @ 12:08:33     Reply | Top | Edit
I'm pretty sure that LT blocks have the same intake bolt patterne and angle as the "Old" blocks.

However, the main reason people go to LT intake and what not is because the get new comupters too. Its because the CPU in your car cannot read high enough from the Maf sensor to have a high amount of a hp. It starts rounding once it runs out of bites.

So when people switch over its because the requre more air to make more HP, therefore needing a CPU that can read that air coming into the Engine.

This all falls under the "I think" label.
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WS6 3o5 TBI 88' Formula, 670cfm Holley Projection Throttle Body Holley Projection Intake Mainfold, Underdrive Pulley,Dual Snorkle & Factory Cowl Induction,now with short straight pipes, UMI Subframe connectors, Fourth Gen seats, Three row Radiator, Posi rear end (2.73),TPI heads, 1.6 roller rockers
15.543 @ 88.21mph

Posted By: Pocket On: 09-24-2007 @ 19:25:19     Reply | Top | Edit
Umm, seeing as I have a LT1 intake going on my car, they are not that bad

Once they get modified, they are pretty much a direct swap for TPI engines. Which is exaclty why Im doing this

The two main problems are the LTx reverse flow coolant and the lack of a distributor

The LT4 intake has bigger ports. Its not vortec and no, LT1 heads are not vortec. I can link the thread of how to make these work, but I really dont see the benefit from modifying these to work

And no, Mass air engines do not peak out at certain power levels. It is harder to tune them but you can do it
The other option is Speed Density. This is easier to tune and has less of the expensive sensors to maintain

Info sites
http://lt1intake.com/services.htm
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/alternative-port-efi-intakes/286476-finished-lt1-intake-conversion.html
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/alternative-port-efi-intakes/146874-tips-lt1-intake-swappers.html

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Posted By: roubenbird On: 09-24-2007 @ 19:32:40     Reply | Top | Edit
Well, i thought.

I wasnt saying they peaked in areas but, I'm almost certain taht they can't read as well past a certain CFM and that has more to do with the CPU aspect. This was for teh TPI cars that is. I read it on TGO, there was a hugh forum for it. oh well. LOL i thought.
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WS6 3o5 TBI 88' Formula, 670cfm Holley Projection Throttle Body Holley Projection Intake Mainfold, Underdrive Pulley,Dual Snorkle & Factory Cowl Induction,now with short straight pipes, UMI Subframe connectors, Fourth Gen seats, Three row Radiator, Posi rear end (2.73),TPI heads, 1.6 roller rockers
15.543 @ 88.21mph

Posted By: Pocket On: 09-24-2007 @ 21:28:18     Reply | Top | Edit
What?

Is that a drunk post because I have no idea what you mean


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Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 09-25-2007 @ 01:51:07     Reply | Top | Edit
sweet pocket. looks sexy. i'm going to seriously look into that lt1intake.com guy. where'd you get yours?
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Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 09-25-2007 @ 01:59:55     Reply | Top | Edit
also, i didnt notice or have time to read ALL of that stuff on those links, do i or do i not have to change my CPU? i'll have it dyno tuned when done, but if i have to change the CPU, that may be something i dont want to get into.
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Posted By: Pocket On: 09-25-2007 @ 07:54:09     Reply | Top | Edit
Do I need all new sensors?

No, you re-use all your existing sensors if you are converting from a TPI system.
I prefer a GM purchased 3 wire heated O2 sensor p/n 25312179 aka AFS-74.
You'll have to hook up the heater wires to a switched power source and ground.
When purchased from a non GM source, an inferior O2 sensor is often substituted.
This is almost a mandatory item when running headers.


Can I use the stock computer (ECM)?

Yes, you can use the stock ECM if you already have a TPI car. Some prom programming will enhance performance, available from me. If you need an ECM, here is a cross reference. ECM interchange
You will need to order a Memcal (chip) from GM if you don't already have one.

Do I need the LT1 wire harness?

No, you will use all the original wiring from the existing TPI system. One coolant temp sensor wire might have to be re-located to the remote thermostat housing.


From the LT1intake.com FAQ

I got mine preconverted off ebay for cheaper than a set of SLP runners. HELL Yes I jumped on that
Still need a set of injectors and a stat housing but for the time being I might not run a stat housing since its a race car
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"If you have complete control over the damned thing, you're not going fast enough." - Carrol Smith

Posted By: roubenbird On: 09-25-2007 @ 16:02:52     Reply | Top | Edit
No, not drunk. Oh well, i wasnt positive on anytihngk i was talking about anyways. I guess i was thinking if you did a OBDII TPI.
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WS6 3o5 TBI 88' Formula, 670cfm Holley Projection Throttle Body Holley Projection Intake Mainfold, Underdrive Pulley,Dual Snorkle & Factory Cowl Induction,now with short straight pipes, UMI Subframe connectors, Fourth Gen seats, Three row Radiator, Posi rear end (2.73),TPI heads, 1.6 roller rockers
15.543 @ 88.21mph

Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 09-25-2007 @ 18:42:09     Reply | Top | Edit
hey thanks pocket. now that i'm home from work, i also went and read the rest of the FAQ over there. i tried doing a little research on TGO as well.

i went and adjusted my tps and stuff. no good. the TPS reads 5.2v at all times WOT and closed. in any position.

also, maybe becasue of the TPS , i cleaned the IAC and i tried to set the idle, no good there either. TGO says idle at 450rpm with the car in drive with IAC unplugged. car wouldnt go below 700 before the linkage stopped. i backed the screw out further, but the linkage wouldnt roll any further back. again, .

i'm going to get a new TPS and try again. someday
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Posted By: Pocket On: 09-25-2007 @ 20:29:20     Reply | Top | Edit
I have no idea about your IAC

After each cleaning of mine I put the cone all the way back in the motor and then cycled the key 3 times

Worked like a charm

Hopefully your TPS is the only problem you have




As for the OBII TPI, I would LOVE to have that harness
Maybe once I get into the more advanced tuning Ill learn the medothds and needs for such a thing and how to make it work
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"If you have complete control over the damned thing, you're not going fast enough." - Carrol Smith

Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 09-25-2007 @ 20:55:19     Reply | Top | Edit
so according to lt1intake.com he'll supply me with a converted LT1 intake for the heads i suggest. but it is bored for a stock TB. is that something i can bore bigger myself? i am a machinist.

he also states that an LT4 intake wont work? i dont understand that part of this shinanigan. maybe i should just email him about this stuff huh?
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Posted By: Pocket On: 09-25-2007 @ 22:42:57     Reply | Top | Edit
A monkey with a dremel could bore the TB opening bigger

I dont see why the LT4 intake wont work, its just bigger ports

Alot of LT1 guys swap in a LT4 intake directly right? No difference I see there

As far as I read he didnt do LT4s simply because they were expensive and hard to come by

Ask him and be sure
And while your at it, ask him about the aftermarket LTx intakes "Air gap" and such, if they can be converted


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"If you have complete control over the damned thing, you're not going fast enough." - Carrol Smith

Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 09-26-2007 @ 01:45:02     Reply | Top | Edit
on his website he states something about coolant ports in the head that the LT4 intake doesnt cover. what do you mean "air gap"? i'm new to this LTx crap.

what are the true benifits of putting an LTx intake in a 3rd gen? i know the LT1 guys go to the LT4, and thats why i wanted to go to the LT4 intake, but other than the looks, does it really function better than a ported, polished, siamesed TPI setup?
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Posted By: Shift On: 09-26-2007 @ 09:23:12     Reply | Top | Edit
An air gap manifold is just one of those manifolds where the runners aren't complete really with the base of the manifold, so air can run through it.


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Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 09-26-2007 @ 13:30:21     Reply | Top | Edit
thats what i thought. i've owned one of those. i'll probably shoot him an email later today when i'm not so damn tired.
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Posted By: Pocket On: 09-26-2007 @ 16:06:45     Reply | Top | Edit
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=EDL%2D7109&N=700+4294925239+115&autoview=sku
Airgap

Only looking at that because they do not sell replacement LT4 stuff that cheap
And Im only interested in the LT4 stuff bcause the ports are HUGE and the heads Im using have massive ports
Perfect for a future Supercharged engine

Im going LT1 because it flows more stock than a ported/upgraded TPI can
It also has much shorter runners for a raised power band. The downside is I lose some torque
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"If you have complete control over the damned thing, you're not going fast enough." - Carrol Smith

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