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Firing order? Posted By: T_TopBandit On: 01-03-2008 @ 22:12:34 Reply | Edit Ok I did what some of you ask and checked my plug wires today. I went by this. 
I found no crossed wires. Posted By: T_TopBandit On: 08-15-2007 @ 22:20:01 Reply | Top | Edit Next I'm going to try the 02 sensor and ingition module. Also I noticed my other thread has been deleted, I can say I'm glad. I'm also willing to forget everything that was said in there if you guys are. I'd like to start over here that is if I'm welcome here? Up to you guys? Posted By: Shift On: 08-15-2007 @ 22:47:33 Reply | Top | Edit I dont think an O2 sensor is your problem. Lets put everything in one post, can you sum up everything they have checked so far and what all the symptoms are and what you have eliminated as problems? Actually, do you have MSN? --  [ Edited on 08/15/2007 @ 22:49:38 ] Posted By: T_TopBandit On: 08-15-2007 @ 22:59:06 Reply | Top | Edit no MSN sorry. Ok as I've said many times this motor is very very weak. It wont idle in gear and runs so rich the exaust burns your eyes out. The plugs, wires, cap, rotor, coil, air filter, distributor, and computer are all new. I've not checked the TPS yet I'm going to have to buy a meter for that. Posted By: T_TopBandit On: 08-15-2007 @ 23:06:49 Reply | Top | Edit Oh I forgot to mention it runs very hot, I've put a new water pump and a 160 stat. All new belts and hoses and it will peg out the temp gage very fast when at idle but cools off some what when moving. The radiator is very clean and has fresh coolent. It stays well over 220, the fans are running also. Posted By: roubenbird On: 08-15-2007 @ 23:14:36 Reply | Top | Edit Cool, I really dont think that its gonna be the O2 sensor but i've been wrong before, once.lol I'd deff check that TPS sensor. i did adn it smoothed my car out a lot. i was suprised how much it helped! -- 
WS6 3o5 TBI 88' Formula, 670cfm Holley Projection Throttle Body Holley Projection Intake Mainfold, Underdrive Pulley,Dual Snorkle & Factory Cowl Induction,now with short straight pipes, UMI Subframe connectors, Fourth Gen seats, Three row Radiator, Posi rear end (2.73),TPI heads, 1.6 roller rockers 15.543 @ 88.21mph Posted By: Calaban007 On: 08-16-2007 @ 01:00:09 Reply | Top | Edit According to my haynes manual you are off one plug. Turn the distributor in the the diagram counter-clockwise one number. Number one should be where number 2 is and 2 should be where number 7 is. -- 
1995 Camaro Z28 & 1989 IROC-Z Stock restoration in progress, well almost stock 
http://www.myspace.com/163296073 Posted By: T_TopBandit On: 08-16-2007 @ 02:12:20 Reply | Top | Edit My distributor looks nothing like that, mines very small and has the coil wire in the middle. Posted By: Calaban007 On: 08-16-2007 @ 02:37:49 Reply | Top | Edit I know that, this is just an example. I tried to take a picture of the Haynes manual diagram but I couldn't get it to come out right, but I promise you it is the same firing order between that picture and the Haynes diagram. That picture came off of a hot rod site and has the coil built into the cap. I'll try the picture of the haynes manual again. --
1995 Camaro Z28 & 1989 IROC-Z Stock restoration in progress, well almost stock
http://www.myspace.com/163296073 Posted By: Calaban007 On: 08-16-2007 @ 02:51:02 Reply | Top | Edit 
Still a little blurry but you can make it out. --
1995 Camaro Z28 & 1989 IROC-Z Stock restoration in progress, well almost stock
http://www.myspace.com/163296073 Posted By: T_TopBandit On: 08-16-2007 @ 05:01:18 Reply | Top | Edit I will have to look at that again, I just started with #1 cylinder and went back and forth tracing the wires to make sure they went around the cap in the right order. I didn't really pay attention to the exact position the cap was turned. I guess I should have. My car is still at the body shop so I have to go there to look at it. By the way, I just thought I'd let everyone know I do feel bad for alot of the things I said to some of you. That's not me at all. I'm just going thru a very hard brake up right now and my stress level has been more then I can take at one time. And I guess I took out alot of anger in here the other day and I do oppoligise for that. I'm just having a very hard time cooping with the fact my girlfriend droped me like a dirty dish rag for someone she said is much better looking. After everything I did for her and thought the world of, she up and tells me I'm not one bit attractive because I'm built like a 10 year old she says. I'm having a pretty hard time with that. To be honist I'm running worse then my car is right now. But anyway I just hope you guys don't hold a bad opionion of me. I'm really a very nice guy, just not got my head together right now. I really do want to fix what's wrong with my car and I really appreciate any advice. I don't want any hard feels from anyone. Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 08-16-2007 @ 07:25:20 Reply | Top | Edit cyl. 1 and 8 should point to the front of the motor. i have that same dist. your talking about. TPI cars dont have room for what they call BIG HEI, wich is what CALABAN posted. --  Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 08-16-2007 @ 07:32:02 Reply | Top | Edit  --  Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 08-16-2007 @ 07:35:12 Reply | Top | Edit now, just because there are no crossed wires, if you have them on in the wrong position, the timing will be rediculously off. on older cars you could get away with that. i put a cam and intake on my 79 caprice wagon with a 305, and when i put it back together the car wouldnt even start. i rotated the plug wires 1 position and the timing light read something like 55*. car ran good that way, but the timing was never right. -- Posted By: Calaban007 On: 08-16-2007 @ 10:14:01 Reply | Top | Edit I don't mean actually try to rotate the cap on your car. It only fits one way. I'm just saying that the first diagram's distributor is off by one contact. Just follow the new diagram I posted and remember standing at the front of the car the dist. contacts closest to you are # 8 on the passengerside and #1 on the drivers side. --65-- -3--7 -4--2 --81-- front of car I had 90 Nissan Stanza with a 4 cylinder in it before I got my Z28. I changed the plugs and wires in it. The distributor cap had 1234 on it so when I changed it I just took it loose and plugged the wires back up according to the dist. cap. Well I had 2 wires crossed. It ran but not well, the exhaust manifold would get hot as fire, and my buddy followed me home from work one day and said that the exhaust from my car was killing him. So something as simple as that could be the reason for it running hotter than normal and the rich exhaust. -- 1995 Camaro Z28 & 1989 IROC-Z Stock restoration in progress, well almost stock http://www.myspace.com/163296073 [ Edited on 08/16/2007 @ 10:17:33 ] Posted By: Calaban007 On: 08-16-2007 @ 11:16:55 Reply | Top | Edit 
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1995 Camaro Z28 & 1989 IROC-Z Stock restoration in progress, well almost stock
http://www.myspace.com/163296073 Posted By: Shift On: 08-16-2007 @ 12:50:42 Reply | Top | Edit Just move each plug wire one over counter clockwise. That would definately explain it running like shit if that is the case. Also, dont use a 160 thermostat. Thats probably part of your richness problem too. Your engine cant get up to optimum running temperature when you have that thermostat in it. -- [ Edited on 08/16/2007 @ 12:53:30 ] Posted By: T_TopBandit On: 08-16-2007 @ 14:50:03 Reply | Top | Edit The main reason I did the 160 stat is because the hypertech chip instructions recomended to use that and remove the cat. I was just going by that. I know it was a pain in the butt putting a stat in that car, you have to take off the throttle body to get to the bolts on the stat housing. Thanks tho I'll everyone I will check the wires again and try moving then over one notch. Posted By: Calaban007 On: 08-16-2007 @ 15:10:46 Reply | Top | Edit Just don't go moving stuff willy nilly. You may end up with a car that doesn't run. Print or draw out one of the diagrams to have it with you to look at while you're messing with it. --
1995 Camaro Z28 & 1989 IROC-Z Stock restoration in progress, well almost stock
http://www.myspace.com/163296073 Posted By: Shift On: 08-16-2007 @ 21:46:06 Reply | Top | Edit Oh so you have a chip, well then yeah a 160 stat should be alright then. -- Posted By: paiste86 On: 08-16-2007 @ 21:56:39 Reply | Top | Edit My 86 iroc has the same HEI distributor calaban pic has is number 1 in the write place in the pic? Posted By: dkbikes4life4130 On: 08-18-2007 @ 17:56:23 Reply | Top | Edit Dont worry about if your plug location lines up exactly with everyone elses. If you wanted too, you could have #1 facing the back of the firewall. Just make sure that they are in the correct order and then check the ignition timing with the advance wire disconected. Its the light tanish brown wire on the passenger side of the engine compartment. It has a place to diconnect it near the strut mount. Try unplugging the TPS and let the engine run. If this makes it any better, than I would replace it. Try the same thing with the O2. Are you sure its running really rich? Seems odd that it would run that rich and still overheat? Have you checked the valves to make sure everything is adjusted right? Maybe take the valve covers off while the motor is running and make sure everything is moving correctly. --  Posted By: Calaban007 On: 08-19-2007 @ 14:10:17 Reply | Top | Edit This is supposedly a stock setup. He said he got the car from the original owner with 57k on it. He said he changed the Distributor to a MSD setup though. He then said that it was doing the exact same thing before he changed anything. Changed all that stuff and it's still running badly. That's why we've been talking about the stock stuff. --  1995 Camaro Z28 & 1989 IROC-Z Stock restoration in progress, well almost stock http://www.myspace.com/163296073 [ Edited on 08/19/2007 @ 14:30:07 ]
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