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Which is better 305 or 350

Posted By: Bruzer On: 01-04-2008 @ 12:24:20 Reply | Edit

Well since i got bashed on my last thread about a 305 small block, I was just wondering who all thinks that the 350 tpi, "HO",cross fire, whatever 350 you got in a 3rd gen, is "OVERALL" better than the base model 305.
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1990 RS Camaro V6 and slow as sh*$
1986 Firebird 305,4bbl Edelbrock,w/5sp
1996 SS Cavalier--the only SS Cav ever made

Posted By: dan On: 10-18-2006 @ 12:48:10 Reply | Top | Edit

..this has gotta be in the top 10 dumbest questions ever on fbody.com..
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 10-18-2006 @ 14:14:35 Reply | Top | Edit

Man, you are making it really hard to believe anything that you have ever typed on here in the last week youve been on.

NO matter what, ever ,period, a law set from above, Jesus said it in the BIBLE, your mom included it in her marrige vows, Your grandma bakes it in her cakes...

THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT.

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Posted By: Bruzer On: 10-18-2006 @ 23:40:10 Reply | Top | Edit

I call BS on what you just said. I got buddys of mine with 283s that can scream past 350s. Displacement aint everything. I smoke a 396 BB with my 305sb. Its how you set up the car. All the 350 has over the 305 is a bigger bore and larger head ports.You better bring more to the table, besides telling me that worn out statement about displacement. To aquire 305 cubic inches, doesnt mean i gotta use a plain jane 305small block either.And if you cant figure that one out, then i must know something you dont.
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1990 RS Camaro V6 and slow as sh*$
1986 Firebird 305,4bbl Edelbrock,w/5sp
1996 SS Cavalier--the only SS Cav ever made

Posted By: JaredRS On: 10-19-2006 @ 02:18:18 Reply | Top | Edit

We are talking about stock engines.. not modified engines. Once you get into modded engines, theres no comparison because there are way too many options.

Long and short of it is, the bigger the displacement, the more potential there is for power when you start modding.

Do the exact same things to a 305 and a 350, that 350 is gonna make more power.. but if u put the 305 in a civic, and the 350 in a 3500lb muscle car, the civic will win. That doesnt mean the engine is better, it just means the person chose a better setup for their car.

If you cant figure that one out, then the rest of us must know something you dont.

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Posted By: Bruzer On: 10-20-2006 @ 14:36:18 Reply | Top | Edit

yeah your right on the setup part. Yeah you can mod the hell out of the two engines with performance parts and the 350 will kick the 305s ass. But...there is a away to take 305 cubic inches crush a 350.Ill give one of many ways.Oh yeah this isnt talking about stock anymore, im proving you that dispacement isnt everything.So lets say i have a 327SB with its stock bore of 4", and a stroke of 3.2". Same size bore as the 350s. We go over to Mr. 283 and grab his crankshaft which makes a 3.0" stroke.Put that crank in our 327 block. Ok so now we have a 4" bore and a 3" stroke. Now grab your calculator son im bout to take you to school."bore squared tmes pie times stroke/4 times 8. So thats 4 times 4 times 3.14 times 3.0/4 which is 37.68 times 8 equal smaller than the 305, 301 c.u. you wanna get a 305, the stroke is 3.034. which cost money.my smaller displacement will scream past your 350 at 7000rpm with its little stroke. Oh yeah there is a little more that goes into this to make it work. Im not trying to act like a no it all either, but you called me an assbreeze and tried to say there was no replacement for dispacement. I didnt go to school for nothing and my grandpa taught me a lot of this stuff. Im done with posting simple threads about opinions on engines because all i get is starcasm, and when you do that the only thing i can do is prove a point.
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1990 RS Camaro V6 and slow as sh*$
1986 Firebird 305,4bbl Edelbrock,w/5sp
1996 SS Cavalier--the only SS Cav ever made

Posted By: Shift On: 10-20-2006 @ 15:58:27 Reply | Top | Edit

305's have a bit more low end torque, but other than that, a 350 is the better route. Lets keep this from being a flame topic.
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 10-20-2006 @ 19:06:31 Reply | Top | Edit

how would a 305ci engine have more low end torque thant a 350ci engine?

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[ Edited on 10/20/2006 @ 19:07:56 ]

Posted By: 3rdgenstm On: 10-20-2006 @ 20:29:27 Reply | Top | Edit

the only thing that can beat cubic inches is rectangular dollars.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 10-20-2006 @ 21:26:38 Reply | Top | Edit

Yeah it takes some dollars i know, but if you have some old engines in the junk, you can create a great combo using different crankshafts and adjusting Compression heights, Im not going to get into all that though.
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1990 RS Camaro V6 and slow as sh*$
1986 Firebird 305,4bbl Edelbrock,w/5sp
1996 SS Cavalier--the only SS Cav ever made

Posted By: Bruzer On: 10-20-2006 @ 23:45:18 Reply | Top | Edit

305 c.u. lol
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1990 RS Camaro V6 and slow as sh*$
1986 Firebird 305,4bbl Edelbrock,w/5sp
1996 SS Cavalier--the only SS Cav ever made

Posted By: JaredRS On: 10-21-2006 @ 13:56:49 Reply | Top | Edit

OK bro, most of us do understand what a stroker is, and what it can do. The reason you got flack for this post is you asked one question, and then disputed the response, with an answer that has nothing to do with the origional question.

"I was just wondering who all thinks that the 350 tpi, "HO",cross fire, whatever 350 you got in a 3rd gen, is "OVERALL" better than the base model 305. "

A stroked out 305 is NOT the base model 305. Everyone is gonna respond that the 350 is a better engine, cause we all know stock it was a stronger motor. When you start changing a motor, its not stock anymore, an all bets are off.

Do you get it? ure comparing apples to watermellons, and expecting us to agree with you. It doesnt work like that.

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Posted By: Bruzer On: 10-21-2006 @ 14:20:22 Reply | Top | Edit

"THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT." Is the reason i changed my story. And i never said anything about a stroker. I talked about a destroked block. now Did you get it. And when i said "OVERALL" who thinks which engine is better, meaning hey my 305 gets better gas mileage, and came with a five speed, or another reply prob could have been no 350 stock came with more power and options. I just asked OPINIONs i never claimed at first one was better than the other stock.
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1990 RS Camaro V6 and slow as sh*$
1986 Firebird 305,4bbl Edelbrock,w/5sp
1996 SS Cavalier--the only SS Cav ever made

Posted By: camaro1986z28 On: 10-21-2006 @ 21:18:15 Reply | Top | Edit

"THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT."

there isn't. if you do the same modifications to a 350 as you would do to a 305 (other than yank it and pitch it

) you will come out with a bigger power number to the bigger engine.

why do you stroke a 305? to get more C.I.

if you start with a bigger motor to begin with, you will get even more C.I.

the more air and fuel you can cram in the cylinder the more power your gonna make.
EDIT: and efficently burn

the phrase "theres no replacement for displacement" can't be prooven wrong. you can make a smaller engine more powerful than a bigger engine with boost or spray. if you boost or spray the bigger engine it will make more power.

not bashing, i just like alittle friendly debating.

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Posted By: dan On: 10-21-2006 @ 22:15:08 Reply | Top | Edit

they dont call power adders artificial displacement for nothin..
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 10-22-2006 @ 00:31:11 Reply | Top | Edit

"if you start with a bigger motor to begin with, you will get even more C.I".--not always true. I already described this, and im not about to go back in to it in detail. Take a 327, and use the crank out of say, a 302 which gives the new stroke of 3 inches for the 4.0" 327. Now take your Bore and square it and then multiply that by 3.14 and then multiply the stroke, divide by 4 and then multiply by 8.Thats a destroked 327 to a 301 cu."theres no replacement for displacement" can't be prooven wrong has just been proven wrong. Cuz with the engine combo i made has the 4" bore the 350 has, and its short stroke ruduces friction and reduces the time it takes the piston to move up and down creating a higher RPM band. Im not going to stop with proving this theory until someone out there will admit it, and i know there is got to be another engine builder on here that understands what im talking about.
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1990 RS Camaro V6 and slow as sh*$
1986 Firebird 305,4bbl Edelbrock,w/5sp
1996 SS Cavalier--the only SS Cav ever made

Posted By: dan On: 10-22-2006 @ 00:53:10 Reply | Top | Edit

i guess i should totally leave the 305 in my 91 formula instead of swapping that crappy ole 346 in it

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98 formula m6 13.125 at 105.22 1.949 60' with just a lid
ls1,t56 "vehicle delete mod"
91 formula a4 no idea why i have this yet

Posted By: camaro1986z28 On: 10-22-2006 @ 01:05:19 Reply | Top | Edit

302 crank with a 3" stroke? thats a ford crank. its physicaly impossible for that crank to fit in a sbc.

so... let me get this straight. you destroke this motor to reduce your frictional loss? what about the ability to fill more volume in the cylinder? create more compression?

if your lookin for rpm's go with a full roller cam/valve terrain. you'll be able to spin 6500-7k all day long.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 10-22-2006 @ 11:32:59 Reply | Top | Edit

I do beleive for a FACT that GM came out with a 302 from 1967-1969. And it will fit, but you could use the crank out of a 262, or 283 they all have a 3" stroke. And for filling the volume up you have to adjust the compression heigth of the piston. Many times people destroked engines to meet class rules, and with the high rpm band they make, some used it for power.
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1990 RS Camaro V6 and slow as sh*$
1986 Firebird 305,4bbl Edelbrock,w/5sp
1996 SS Cavalier--the only SS Cav ever made

Posted By: camaro1986z28 On: 10-22-2006 @ 13:35:51 Reply | Top | Edit

how do you adjust compression height?
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Posted By: Remdog On: 10-22-2006 @ 16:00:06 Reply | Top | Edit

ya hes right gm made a 302 in 67,68and 69 it had a 3.00 stroke and a 4 inch bore 327 block and they used 283 cranks i do believe gm made the 302 first and then ford made the 302 but gm stoped useing that motor after 69 so no one think gm made one and the people who know gm did think they copied ford but i dont think they did, gm made the 302 first also it only came in Z-28 camaro,s

Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 10-22-2006 @ 19:47:48 Reply | Top | Edit

gm was the first to use the 302, and they did in the z28s until 1970. fod got their 302 by boring out the 289w i believe, and that was 2 years after the z28s started giving them a hard time.

and it is totally possible to build a 302 sbc.
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 10-22-2006 @ 23:21:20 Reply | Top | Edit

bruzer,

com on man, your asking for our opinions and then telling us that we are wrong.

just about every 350 produced made more power than the "base model 305"

im sure that you know guys with very fast cars, but no matter what, if you take a 305 or whatever motor you have/want and a motor with larger displacement and do the same mods to it the motor with the larger displaement will have more power. <@R>
302 with the same cam/head/intake/exhaust as a motor with more displacement will make less power.

that is how MY statement is not B.S.

slightly off of the subject but how old are you?

im not bashing you, but feel like you are pretty stand offish
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Posted By: Shift On: 10-23-2006 @ 00:08:02 Reply | Top | Edit

UsefulIdi0t, the 305 is closer to being a square engine (square meaning the bore and stroke are the same) An undersquare engine would have more low end torque than say an oversquare engine, which would have more top end power. I dunno if it has more max torque, but bottom end I'm pretty sure it does.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 10-23-2006 @ 01:11:44 Reply | Top | Edit

Ok man, im not going to get back into the subject about theres no replacement for displacement, yeah the 350 came with more HP. than a 305 stock. I never tried to say anyones opinion was wrong either. But i do know that smaller displacement can outperform a bigger one when using engine combos. I have explained it already. What do you mean by stand offish. Im 21, and im a automotive technician. I have a desire to use underdog equipment for means of an advantage, such as my 305. Many books i read hold secrets of destroking an engine and the power they can produce. Stokers are really good combos to use too. But hey im only 21, i got some more learning and building to do.
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1990 RS Camaro V6 and slow as sh*$
1986 Firebird 305,4bbl Edelbrock,w/5sp
1996 SS Cavalier--the only SS Cav ever made

Posted By: roubenbird On: 10-23-2006 @ 12:23:08 Reply | Top | Edit

"But i do know that smaller displacement can outperform a bigger one when using engine combos. I have explained it already."

no one here is arguing that either. What we are saying is...

if you had a smaller displacement motor with your part comobs, it would make less power than a larger displacement motor with those exact parts.

we know that a 305 can be fast, but with the EXACT SAME PARTS ON A 350, the 350 will produce more power.

as for the standoffis thing, all the post ive read that you have posted seem rather negative towards other people. im trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. hopefully things go well
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Posted By: gallileo60 On: 10-27-2006 @ 15:28:34 Reply | Top | Edit

Bruzer, Im curious, how old are you, and how many motors (Stroker, or otherwise) have you built? There are alot of guys on here who have raced cars for years..People that eat, breath, and live cars...Lots of good advise, if you will just listen.....Not slamming you, but you seem to think you know alot....

Posted By: fbodys_own On: 10-27-2006 @ 17:00:40 Reply | Top | Edit

it's simple. for every dollar that you invest into any engine with less displacement you can invest the same amount of dollars into an engine with greater displacement and the engine that had the greater displacement initially will have more power in the end. now, i'm not trying to persuade you into picking a 350; i think it's really cool when people invest the time and money into 305's to make them quick. i'm just saying that there isn't any angle you can look at this from and see an engine with less displacement making more HP than an engine with greater displacement. given that you match every dollar on the 2 engines.
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 10-27-2006 @ 18:28:46 Reply | Top | Edit

shift, im having a hard time believing that an engine with a smaller bore will create more low end torque than an engine with a larger bore, with the exact same stroke.

if anything, the 305 (as in L03) would be creating more low end torque than a 350 (as in L98) because of the swirl port heads that were outfitted on those engines. they were designed for producing low end torque for towing applications, and they did a tremendous job in doing it.

now if you take a 350 and put 187 castings on it, it will create more low end torque than the 305, becasue on the 1/4" bore difference.
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Posted By: wayfast84 On: 10-28-2006 @ 16:55:13 Reply | Top | Edit

motor vs motor 350 will win.

how ever a car with a 305 can beat a car with a 350.

just because you have a 350 doesnt mean its got power..

Posted By: Shift On: 10-31-2006 @ 22:26:20 Reply | Top | Edit

Ok, I didn't mean it like that. Lets say you have a 305 with a hypothetical 4 inch bore and 2 inch stroke, vs a 305 with a 2 inch bore and a 4 inch stroke. The motor with the 2 inch bore would have more torque, and the motor with the 4 inch bore would have more cajones up top.
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 11-01-2006 @ 07:36:40 Reply | Top | Edit

I'm not even gonna read anything past the first post, but I can say that this is the dumbest thread ever. I could see if someone honestly didn't know and was asking a serious question, but this guy seems like he's just looking for a fight. Way to go moron.
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Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 11-13-2006 @ 23:16:41 Reply | Top | Edit

look if you really want to know the answer just do what i did take a stock 305 tbi buy a turbocharger and a lil money and put it on your 305 and out run all these guys that thank that they know everything and the sad part is i only have like 1000$ in my car after buying it and there talking about 350 my dad has a 69 camaro with a builtass 350 i have a stock 305 tbi in a 1991 rs camaro and i spank his ass all day long and if yall want to say anything else about it he has a 5 speed tranny just like mine so that is your answer to all of yalls dumb ass questions

Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 11-15-2006 @ 17:35:14 Reply | Top | Edit

your dad must of cut some corners with that engine build, because the largest TBI injectors wont flow enough fuel to make anymore than 400ish hp, especially in a forced induction setup. and your dads car probably weighs alot more than your 91 rs as well.
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Posted By: Shift On: 11-15-2006 @ 19:13:50 Reply | Top | Edit

The 572 owns both a 350 and 305. Period.
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 11-16-2006 @ 18:05:30 Reply | Top | Edit

fu*k your 572

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/
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Posted By: hookershotrods On: 11-23-2006 @ 00:08:46 Reply | Top | Edit

to respond to that you don't have to have a 305 small block to get a 305 is right there is a 305 v6 and its very larger brother the 500 cid v6 that came out in large service truck's I have seen one in a GMC Tanker that use to hall JP-5 Jet fuel I am curently strocking a 5.0 lt vortect on top of following A build up on how to get 400hp out of a 305 with just bolt on parts that's without a blower or NOS -on High pump gas I can bet that sence I am building a roller cam motor and storking it which are not part of the build up I can exced 400hp- Now tell me what you think of those speces and if you want to know about yhe build up I can give you the link

Posted By: hookershotrods On: 11-23-2006 @ 00:28:31 Reply | Top | Edit

Porting out intacks and exust and a couple of oth
er cheep tricks plus these parts

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Air Cleaner...............Edelbrock................................1201

Air Filter...................K&N Air Filters.....................E-375

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Carburetor...............Holley Carburetor.....................4777

Coil.........................Autotronic Controls...................8203

Distributor...............Autotronic Controls...................8461

Heads.....................Racing Head Service...(special order)

Headers..................Hooker Headers.......................2210

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MSD Ignition..........Autotronic Controls...................6200

Manifold.................Edelbrock.................................2977

Oil pump spring......Chevrolet............................3848911

Plug Wires.............Autotronic Controls...................3118

Pushrods................Crane Cams................(special order)

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Retainers...............Competition Cams.......................740

Locks....................Competition Cams.......................613

Rod Bolts..............B&B Performance.....................3861

Intake Valves........Manley....................................11560

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Valve Cover Gaskets...Mr Gasket............................179

Valve Springs........Competition Cams...............984-974

Windage Tray.......Hamburger's Oil Pans..................670

makes 400hp tested and proven out of a 305

Posted By: blck89rs On: 11-23-2006 @ 10:21:45 Reply | Top | Edit

hehe now take that and put it on a 406 changing the cam size and carb to match the CI and guess how much power? 550 sound good? dont believe me, its been done but not many people use 406's
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Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 11-24-2006 @ 01:42:46 Reply | Top | Edit

1995 red formula look bud you need to go back to who ever told you the bull shit you come up with and yes my dads car does weight alot more than mine but it does not matter how much a car weighs and yes you can get 500hp out of a stock 305 believe me i know cause i am doing it and if you dont believe me give me about a mounth and i will post the dame dyno sheet on this dame web site and show you that it will so take your slow ass formula and just park that pos

Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 11-24-2006 @ 07:32:15 Reply | Top | Edit

ss69camaro7, weight doesn't matter when it comes to acceleration? Also, put your same "turbocharged" setup on a 350 and see what happens.

There have been people that have gone 9's with a 305. However it's easier to do it with a 350, therefore, the 350 is better.
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 11-24-2006 @ 10:26:44 Reply | Top | Edit

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Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 11-24-2006 @ 14:01:18 Reply | Top | Edit

look all i am saying is that you can outrun a 350 with a stock 305 it is all in the driver and that is all there is to it 20% car 80% driver

Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 11-24-2006 @ 18:36:43 Reply | Top | Edit

either our opinions on what 'stock' means differs by quite a bit, or you're completely insane. or both.
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Posted By: Shift On: 11-24-2006 @ 19:32:55 Reply | Top | Edit

20% Car? Thats insanely low lol.Thats like saying, with the right driver, a 20 horsepower car can beat an 80 hp car.
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 11-26-2006 @ 10:02:30 Reply | Top | Edit

LOL, this post gets funnier all the time.
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 11-26-2006 @ 11:08:19 Reply | Top | Edit

lets keep it going guys!! anyone have anymore ridiculous and completely nonsensical theories and opinions about automotive performance?
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Posted By: Pocket On: 11-26-2006 @ 22:10:36 Reply | Top | Edit

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/leaf+blower/0/ab544e3b-5dff-416d-9cfd-a1ad23ca9564.htm

Hows that

Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 11-26-2006 @ 23:26:36 Reply | Top | Edit

i would like to say that those 4 cyl cars with those obnoxious mufflers and cut springs and loud stereos with body kits that are zip tied on rule all... but thats my opinion
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 11-27-2006 @ 07:49:10 Reply | Top | Edit

Thats the best video I've ever seen! LOL
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Posted By: jimbobs92rs On: 11-27-2006 @ 15:50:03 Reply | Top | Edit

I would have to say stock for stock a 91 z28 305 tpi 5 speed 323 gears will run the same if not better ive seen it done. But if your comparing a 305 tbi or carb to the 350 tpi there is no contest.
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 11-27-2006 @ 17:23:16 Reply | Top | Edit

people, people, people....

im not sure all of you guys get it!

noone is saying that the 305 cannot be made into a motor that is stronger/faster that a 350 motor.
Yes there are 305's out there that are faster tham manny 350s.

However, what im/manypeople in here are saying is that if you build a motor with the same options, it would be faster/stronger if it was built on a motor with more displacement.

thats why bigblocks are more popular in other drag racing communities.

This is like arguing whether or not the 305 is better than a 632c.i. Merlin. same principle

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Posted By: bigtommy On: 11-27-2006 @ 17:54:22 Reply | Top | Edit

be honest with ya i seen alot of 305 owners smokin the doors off 350s stock....305 has butt loads of torque compared to 350....HP doesnt mean crap if u cant jump off the line fast.....torque makes a car scream off the line :-) not trying to be a a hole or anything just posting a comment

Posted By: bigtommy On: 11-27-2006 @ 17:55:34 Reply | Top | Edit

but ill say bother are good engines chevy all the way

Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 11-27-2006 @ 22:29:23 Reply | Top | Edit

Um...go look up the torque specs for a 350TPI and then a 305 TPI and then shut up.

The biggest reason that the 305 TPI's ran with the 350 TPI's is that the 350's were only available in auto, and they put an intake setup (and possibly cam, not sure) on the 350 that was designed for a much smaller displacement 305. That's why the 350's were only rated like 10 more hp than the 305 TPI's in many cases.
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Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 11-28-2006 @ 10:21:23 Reply | Top | Edit

check this out... this will solve all your issues

http://www.osterlen.com/alf/--%20Gammalt/cam-data.htm#ThirdGen
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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 11-29-2006 @ 10:10:27 Reply | Top | Edit

This thread is so funny I could cry...

Yes you can "beat a 350 with a 305"...

I outran Third Gen cars in my old 92 3.1! That doesn't count for sh!t in this discussion though.

As for the bullshit hypothetical engine, You aren't gonna do crap with it because of the lack of stroke. You miss the entire point that to RUN AT THAT HIGH OF AN RPM YOU HAVE TO SPEND ASSLOADS OF $ SO THE ENGINE CAN HANDLE IT!

Others pointed out that obvious reasoning but didn't say why good enough. You stick the same heads and all related parts from the small engine onto the 350 and you will have more power.

Not to mention the life of your engine... Why do you think GM quit putting those touchy high RPM engines in their cars?

It cost to damn much, and they broke way to damn easy. Both being bad for business. End of story.

305 engines didn't have more torque. They had plenty for the times...

Same scientific principles applied to a 350 and the 350 has more HP and more Torque.

You change intakes and cam to run faster air at lower RPM, you build torque. A 350 could run a mid level (for the era) intake, cam, etc. and produce similar torque but higher overall top end HP. That makes for a better all around engine in most normal driving situations.

Now for my opinion...

Chevy should have put 500 cubic inch engines in 3rd gen cars. They should have had SFC's and all the other needed parts installed so I didn't have to buy them...

Oh yeah, LT1 cars look like a stretched Geo Storm!!

LOL!!
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 11-29-2006 @ 18:52:43 Reply | Top | Edit

"As for the bullshit hypothetical engine, You aren't gonna do crap with it because of the lack of stroke."

Are you talking about a 305? They have a very long stroke compared to their bore.
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 11-29-2006 @ 19:48:30 Reply | Top | Edit

^he cant hear you over his stereo
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Posted By: Shift On: 11-29-2006 @ 20:36:26 Reply | Top | Edit

The sunfire's look like mini firebirds.

Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 11-30-2006 @ 16:15:49 Reply | Top | Edit

Keep up with the thread guys...

I said "hypothetical" as in his(Bruzer) description of the 302 that he says will "scream past your 350 at 7000rpm with its little stroke."

It will but not if the rest of the engine isn't set up to handle the high RPM.

What I am saying is it isn't the lack of stroke that makes the 302 do the screaming. The money has to be spent to make the engine handle constant high RPM or it will have a nice exciting ending much sooner than the guy with a 350 that can run right next to him.
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 11-30-2006 @ 19:08:00 Reply | Top | Edit

If I were going to counter Bruzer's "302's are better than 350's" argument I would just ask him why they stopped making 302's so long before 350's

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Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 11-30-2006 @ 21:17:31 Reply | Top | Edit

now why would you put a 302 in a third gen?

a DZ302 is a rare motor to come by, and if you had one, sell it to someone building an rs, ss, or rs/ss first gen camaro...

just build a motor, what ever it is you choose... and just have fun with it... i'm personally building a 350 because i had a block available to me, but my 79 caprice wagon has a 305 in it and i slapped headers, cam, intake, carb and double roller timing chain on it and it runs great... for a 5,000lb land yacht.
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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-01-2006 @ 01:56:23 Reply | Top | Edit

He wasn't talking about a real 302... He said he was:

"proving you that dispacement isnt everything.So lets say i have a 327SB with its stock bore of 4", and a stroke of 3.2". Same size bore as the 350s. We go over to Mr. 283 and grab his crankshaft which makes a 3.0" stroke.Put that crank in our 327 block. Ok so now we have a 4" bore and a 3" stroke. Now grab your calculator son im bout to take you to school."bore squared tmes pie times stroke/4 times 8. So thats 4 times 4 times 3.14 times 3.0/4 which is 37.68 times 8 equal smaller than the 305, 301 c.u. you wanna get a 305, the stroke is 3.034. which cost money.my smaller displacement will scream past your 350 at 7000rpm with its little stroke. Oh yeah there is a little more that goes into this to make it work. Im not trying to act like a no it all either, but you called me an assbreeze and tried to say there was no replacement for dispacement. I didnt go to school for nothing and my grandpa taught me a lot of this stuff."

I guess he didn't realize(not sure) that he is describing a 302.

He is right that the engine will scream. He misses the point that everyone isn't made of money to keep it running or build it in the first place...

THAT is why "THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT."

That is why large engines with a lot of torque are becoming more popular these days. Some stroker kits aren't the best idea... You should use an aftermarket block and all that. If you look at stock engines then it is simple to see that for less money you have more daily driving power and reliability in a 350. If you have a 305 so be it. It isn't a big deal. Drive it until it is time to have another engine. Then it is just as easy to build a 350 as a 305. That is why everyone does it.

Simple as that.

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-01-2006 @ 18:10:21 Reply | Top | Edit

I love his point that destroking a motor is better, lol. The only reason they made 302's was because the Trans Am series cars had to be under 305ci, lol. I've never seen a 350 "destroker kit", but I've seen alot of stroker kits, lol.
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 12-01-2006 @ 19:25:48 Reply | Top | Edit

well, if i superturbonos my 31cc weedeater motor and then destroke it, itll scream right past your 502ci. motor.

so anyways i cant believe this is still going on. the guy isn't on here and more and the only people arguing the wrong side of this displacement thing are people who are newbies.
Everyone else/the right people are on here all of the time.
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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-01-2006 @ 20:46:18 Reply | Top | Edit

Bah... When he decides to look at this post in the future he will see the light...

I guess I could go with the apples and watermelon theory... My bike will scream past everyone also at about ANY RPM. It still only puts about 160-165 hp to the ground.
ss69camaro7 says "...yes my dads car does weight alot more than mine but it does not matter how much a car weighs..."

I guess that means my bike can get outrun by a 300hp car since the weight doesn't matter...
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-02-2006 @ 07:47:19 Reply | Top | Edit

LOL, I like keeping this going just for the sheer fun of it.

wildcatkit52, it's quite obvious that the most hp wins no matter if one car outweighs the other by several tons, lol.
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Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 12-02-2006 @ 17:48:12 Reply | Top | Edit

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you know what is so funny i meant as in cars you and so far for you I really do not care what the hell yaw lil bitch boys think so all this shit you talk im getting tired of hearing it so if you want to keep talking about all this and you want to prove a point quit talking and bring you slow as 350's to alabama and ill even race for pink slips and then will see just how much you dumb fucks know

Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 12-02-2006 @ 18:06:33 Reply | Top | Edit

PINKS?!?!?

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[ Edited on 12/02/2006 @ 18:06:55 ]

Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 12-02-2006 @ 18:57:36 Reply | Top | Edit

you can bring your lil red formula if you want to lil boy

Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 12-02-2006 @ 20:15:59 Reply | Top | Edit

glad i put on my catback this weekend, im gonna need the extra 80hp with you.
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Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 12-02-2006 @ 20:40:04 Reply | Top | Edit

no what you should do is go find you a fast car and quite driving that lil red formula wow you have a slp fan switch cool dump ass

Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 12-02-2006 @ 20:41:12 Reply | Top | Edit

sorry starting to sound like you a dumb ass

Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 12-02-2006 @ 20:52:14 Reply | Top | Edit

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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-02-2006 @ 23:50:19 Reply | Top | Edit

LOL!

Sorry my car doesn't have a 350 man... Better luck next guess. By the way, learn to write with enough proper grammar so that we can understand what you are saying.

Also, if you are saying you have a STOCK 305 with a turbo you are in the wrong place to be "racing for pinks".

Also, I didn't say there was anything wrong with a 305. I just pointed out some mistakes in peoples posts. Like yours.

Weight DOES matter. Every 100 pounds will take off about 1/10th a second in a quarter mile.

If you would have came in here and posted only facts then nobody would have said a word to you. Many of us may make jokes and be sarcastic. You are just being childish.

You want to race for Pink Slips? My car against yours? Sorry, you will have to wait. The 383 isn't done yet.
Oh yeah, I have a few turbo's laying around also...
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-03-2006 @ 10:20:17 Reply | Top | Edit

ss69camaro7, learn to use grammar, I feel half retarded trying to decipher your chicken scratch.

Also, why don't you just post a timeslip if your junk is so fast. Actually, post a couple so we know you didn't just post the slip of the guy in the next lane that you were running.

Lastly, what do you think would happen if you put the same turbo setup on a 350?
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[ Edited on 12/03/2006 @ 12:21:38 ]

Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 12-03-2006 @ 19:59:15 Reply | Top | Edit

well any time you get ready to do it ill be waiting on you

Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 12-03-2006 @ 19:59:53 Reply | Top | Edit

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Posted By: screamin85TA On: 12-03-2006 @ 22:04:51 Reply | Top | Edit

There should definitely be some kind of a mentally retard test to stop stupid people from being able to join this site. Then again people like ss69camaro7 are really only here for our entertainment.

ss69camaro7
The REALLY scary thing about this is that they let people like you drive cars. They only thing you should be able to drive is a bicycle. I dont think I would even let you drive a lawn mower. They must not expect very much from you drivers down there in Alabama.

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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-04-2006 @ 07:40:13 Reply | Top | Edit

ss69camaro7, with an answer like that, how can I argue? You have convinced me that you would win simply because you said so.
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 12-04-2006 @ 12:36:49 Reply | Top | Edit

RedScreamin, I will chip in some money for gas dor you to go whip his ass, and a little to tow his clunker back to New England.
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 12-04-2006 @ 15:01:52 Reply | Top | Edit

"you know what is so funny i meant as in cars "

there is the answer for all of you idots!!!

Weight doesnt matter when your racing motorcycles, only when you are racing cars.

therefore, HP doesn't exist. or it is invisible.

Why the hell is the title to my car white!?!?!?!
is white a faster color than pink?

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Posted By: ThumperNC24 On: 12-04-2006 @ 16:41:02 Reply | Top | Edit

yeah red, he has a destroked motor in his car, it bumped him all the way into the 17s, you have no chance....

i dont know where these people even come up with this shit....

305s are not that great

350 > 305

let me see if I can encode this into retard-speak with [normal english in brackets].

if i were to destroke my 350 [because that is the most logical mod you could do.] it would still be faster than your destroked 305.

Its obvious you can make many different motors faster than a 350 [ariel atom anyone? oh wait, i forgot its fast because its really light, but that actually shouldnt matter. weight doesnt affect speed so im really perplexed right now.]. But it is easier to make a larger displacement motor run 10s then it would be to make a smaller displacement run 10s.

Sorry for normal people here, it may be hard to understand as i was trying to make it as retard-readable as possible.
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-04-2006 @ 22:08:24 Reply | Top | Edit

LOL, that's funny Thumper.

2piececrank, I don't have a 350 so it wouldn't prove anything, lol.
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Posted By: fergymoto On: 12-04-2006 @ 22:47:53 Reply | Top | Edit

Fuggin woo doo doo the 305 has all the power you'd ever need in stock form. With 400+ ft. lbs of torque, you can't go wrong. That package is like a sore peter, ya can't beat it.
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 12-04-2006 @ 23:38:42 Reply | Top | Edit

What's a little rounding in areas between people who actually know what they are talking about.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 12-05-2006 @ 08:53:01 Reply | Top | Edit

WOW!
Well looks like i started something. Im glad. Why i havent been on here for so long is be cause i traded my computer for a 87 LT Camaro,91 RS Camaro, and a 82 z28 Pace car. What can i say i love 3rd gen Camaros.And im not Bullshitting. And while i was away, i had the pleasure of beating some camaros with 350s with my 305. Im glad some people agree with me, and im sorry a lot of you didnt. Yeah i know what a 350 can do, and what a bigger displacement will do and what money can do. 305s arent popular and they have a small bore, and most of them are slow. Weight does play an issue, forced induction, etc. There is so much on this thread about differnt ways a 350 is a better winner than the 305. But my 305 with bolt ons and a 5speed transmission will still put a lot of 350 heartbeats to rest.
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 12-05-2006 @ 09:52:12 Reply | Top | Edit

Yeah, you really got the natives restless on this one. The only thing that would probably get more response is a 305 with an STS turbo kit.

Anywho, it is refreshing to see the road-less-taken being used, and I can agree that you can beat some 350's, like either of mine.
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Posted By: ThumperNC24 On: 12-05-2006 @ 14:04:58 Reply | Top | Edit

LMFAO @ 2piece, please please dont go there again...there have been way to many closed/deleted threads from the STS turbo kits...

btw, i dunno dude, he might have a run at the one with a snapped crank, but the truck might have him =D
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 12-05-2006 @ 22:14:28 Reply | Top | Edit

"Um...go look up the torque specs for a 350TPI and then a 305 TPI and then shut up."
LOL Thats funny, give me the 305 TPI with the 5speed, and put the 350tpi next to me. I bet the Bank the 305 cuts its ass.No BS.

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Posted By: jumper297 On: 12-05-2006 @ 23:02:13 Reply | Top | Edit

This thread gives me a headache.

Someone, maybe RSM, needs to compile a "TOP 10" list of the dumbest shit said in this thread... complete with grammar and spelling errors. From the topic on down to pretty much everything ss69camaro7 said.
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 12-06-2006 @ 01:46:00 Reply | Top | Edit

I dunno Thumper, with a few buddies, we can push my car pretty fast. Anyways, I am no longer going to feed RSM in this post.

I could beat Bruzer in my truck right now here in PA. Hell, I'll race any fbody in my truck for pink slips if I can have the snow we got here last night.
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-06-2006 @ 07:49:07 Reply | Top | Edit

If smaller motors are better then we better all watch out for the mighty 2.8 liter!
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Posted By: IROC2fast4u On: 12-06-2006 @ 10:03:02 Reply | Top | Edit

My head hurts. This guy is an idiot.
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Posted By: Vulture On: 12-06-2006 @ 10:54:12 Reply | Top | Edit

The 305 is a better motor. . .

For first time drivers. If I had a 350 as my first car I probably would have modded it up and killed myself on some stretch of road somewhere or another.

If the 305 was of a completely different make, generation, or something then this thread would make sense in that there are other factors to consider. But you can only really talk volume here which is a no-brainer.

I do think 305's modded to run with modded 350's are cool and says something about doing more with less. Your still making the motor work harder though--technically reducing longevity(?).
A modded up 305 is a compliment to the driver and/or tech. It's a tribute to the F-Body in the end, and some people don't mind some sacrifice ($/cap on HP) to pay that respect.

[ Edited on 12/06/2006 @ 10:57:33 ]

Posted By: fergymoto On: 12-06-2006 @ 14:31:17 Reply | Top | Edit

The 305 was accident. Some dude was born and he had the idea to make it. It was a mistake.
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Posted By: cheddar On: 12-06-2006 @ 19:05:11 Reply | Top | Edit

I'll race a 305 with my 350. Any takers?
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Posted By: fasteddie94 On: 12-06-2006 @ 19:08:27 Reply | Top | Edit

How about somebody just kick these two yahoos in the dick.

How the hell did it go from a stock for stock question taking into account the car itself meaning options and what not, to a fucking full on turbo 305 against a stock 350? Or his dads built ass camaro? What am i missing?
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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-06-2006 @ 19:14:02 Reply | Top | Edit

You are missing his rationalization...

We all should have just said, "305's are better especially if they have a 5 speed. Add a turbo and you are GOD!"
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Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 12-06-2006 @ 19:34:00 Reply | Top | Edit

yeah ill race your 350 any day you want too

Posted By: n20ta2 On: 12-06-2006 @ 20:01:02 Reply | Top | Edit

O.K dude this has got to be the most worthless thread I have ever seen.I have built and raced every ci chevy, dodge, and pontiac stroker, and destroker you can imagine in your head and the saying definetly holds true that displacement is king.I think you must have been in a cave all these years as guys like joe sherman have been building killer fast big ci sb and big block combos.I cant remember the last time I was at a PRO or NHRA event and watched a 327 or a 283 or 305 motor past a big ci small block ya know why? cause it never happened! I would gladly set my 420ci small block up against the baddest 305 in the world,he would never take me no matter how much money he dumped into it. I guess in all your "schooling" you never understood the concept of an engine being a giant air pump? The larger the displacement the more air thats pulled in out thy more power that being made (granted the heads have enough cfm to support the stroke). I guess We should all write dodge a letter and tell them their larger 6.1 liter Hemi(420hp) should be eliminated and make way for the 5.7 liter hemi(340hp)Give me a break!
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Posted By: cheddar On: 12-06-2006 @ 20:05:23 Reply | Top | Edit

yeah ill race your 350 any day you want too

Alright, bring it. How's tomorrow sound?
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 12-06-2006 @ 20:18:44 Reply | Top | Edit

Calling for a foot of snow tomorrow, I'll race a 305.

Still feeding RSM

Posted By: jumper297 On: 12-06-2006 @ 20:24:37 Reply | Top | Edit

^Your car is a 346 Cheddar... that smaller displacment would give you an edge over a 350. Quit trying to cheat.

And please... for the love of God... you 2 retards need to post some pics up of your killer 305's.

This reminds me of the "IROC Guy" that called into that radio show.
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Posted By: 94RedFormula On: 12-06-2006 @ 20:37:19 Reply | Top | Edit

Kit, LT1 cars DO NOT look like a stretched Geo Storm!!

I can't believe I read this whole thing.

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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-06-2006 @ 20:49:15 Reply | Top | Edit

ONLY the Camaro LT1's Jackie! Yours isn't so bad... I prefer the LS1 front ends though. My favorite Pontiac would be something along the lines of a 1990 GTA WS6.
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Posted By: camaro1986z28 On: 12-06-2006 @ 20:51:10 Reply | Top | Edit

Kit, LT1 cars DO NOT look like a stretched Geo Storm!!

actually i saw one the other day and thought, that looks like a shrunk LT1 camaro.

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Posted By: I8ASaleen On: 12-06-2006 @ 21:06:11 Reply | Top | Edit

I CAN'T BELIEVE I READ THIS WORTHLESS THREAD! You wanna know the funny thing about 305's? I had a Hyundai Accent (yes that's right a whole 108hp on tap) and raced against my friend in a 91 305 5spd. You wanna know the outcome? Me by a bumper!? ONOZ OMG TEH 305 IS KING NEVAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
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Posted By: jumper297 On: 12-06-2006 @ 21:15:32 Reply | Top | Edit

I beat a 305 3rd gen WITH a 5 speed with my 91 S-Blazer once. But now that I think about it... the Blazer only had 262ci so that explains why it was so much more powerful.... and now that I know the Blazer's heavier weight has no effect on acceleration I see why I won so easily. I'm sorry I sold it now.
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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-06-2006 @ 21:20:50 Reply | Top | Edit

I have a 90 S-Blazer I will sell you. Then you can rule all!
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Posted By: I8ASaleen On: 12-06-2006 @ 22:07:38 Reply | Top | Edit

Teh Blazer is Teh best? TEH BLAZER IS TEH RULE. Wow this is one of those very few entertaining threads, it's sad that there aren't more people like this on here so we could have more fun.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 12-06-2006 @ 23:37:57 Reply | Top | Edit

Yeah and I beat a a 4.3 blazer with my 3.1 big deal. Yall are getting to offensive about me saying a 305 is better. I know overall its not, i just think they can putperform some 350s stock, or other bigger cubic inch motor. Hell I know a 302 will cut some ass on a bigger dispacement. Wish i had one.
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Posted By: I8ASaleen On: 12-07-2006 @ 00:02:28 Reply | Top | Edit

*sigh* Please learn quickly that if you post something ridiculous you're gonna get called out and start something that is bigger than you can handle. A 305 is like the red-headed step-child of the SBC world and isn't oft spoken of, so when you go comparing the red-headed stepchild to the numba 1 son, it's not gonna be pretty.
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 12-07-2006 @ 01:37:51 Reply | Top | Edit

Even stock vs. stock it comes down too much to application. LO5 version of the 350 vs, LB9 305, the LB9 will win. For those who don't feel like looking it up, the LO5 was used in trucks, vans, etc. was a TBI @ ~210 hp, the LB9 is TPI @~230hp at their highest points. They come from the same years, they just varied in application. Last point, the 302 was developed for racing and was underrated at 290hp.
Unless two engines were meant to go into the exact same application, one cannot be generalized as being better than another in every instance. The LS7 is better than the LS2, they both go into a 2006 Vette. Arguing that a 302 that was initailly designed to race at high revs is better than a 350 that was the mainstay small block for many vehicles is saying that kiwi are better than apples. You can't make the comparison unless you are talking about strawberry flavored drinks.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 12-07-2006 @ 07:47:35 Reply | Top | Edit

No Hell no, the contraversy here is there is no replacement for displacement, so there you have it, a 302 motor that screams at high RPMS, that was put in first gen camaros. I dont care what this motor was initially made for, this is a production motor.
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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-07-2006 @ 10:04:30 Reply | Top | Edit

Yes, but it has NO relation to the question you asked.

"I was just wondering who all thinks that the 350 tpi, "HO",cross fire, whatever 350 you got in a 3rd gen, is "OVERALL" better than the base model 305."(Bruzer 10-18-2006)

You got bent just after that when roubenbird said, "THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT."

The fact remains that if you PREPARE a 350 in the same manner as a STOCK 302, It will have more HP and Torque.

It isn't the stroke that makes the power. It is the fact that the engine was built to handle high RPM and had the essential equipment to produce power at that high RPM. All that "essential equipment" can be done to a 350 also.

Do you understand what I am saying? Nobody is bashing a 302 or a built 305. We are just bashing you in this thread because you are comparing apples to oranges.

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Posted By: roubenbird On: 12-07-2006 @ 13:11:03 Reply | Top | Edit

dude, plesae just admit to us that you can think and understand that there is no replacement for displacement and youll get a free pass from me.

i guess the other option is to say that you dont and then you will be forever bashed and looked down upon as that poor soul that thinks 305's are better than 350's.

i think that it is cool when someone builds a 305 that is awesome, i have a 305 myself but the reality is....

they are the suck. great for a purpose but that purpose ends when you want to go fast
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Posted By: ss69camaro7 On: 12-07-2006 @ 19:57:05 Reply | Top | Edit

look you all of you keep saying if you put the parts that you put in a 305 in a 350 than the 350 will out run the 305 but at the same time you cannot put all the parts that you put in a 305 in a 350 cause they are not all innerchangable

Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-07-2006 @ 20:44:09 Reply | Top | Edit

Again, if you don't know what you are talking about, keep your stupidity to yourself. Try reading. Then try to understand.

A Small Block Chevy is a Small Block Chevy. Nobody said ANYTHING about putting parts from a 305 into a 350.

We SAID that if you put the same parts ON a 350 that the 302 uses to handle high RPM's, it will have more power.

Go read some books and learn something so your posts don't show that you ignorance.
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Posted By: jumper297 On: 12-07-2006 @ 21:17:40 Reply | Top | Edit

...and just when I was afraid this thread was dying down... a new injection of stupidity. I really think that guy is mildly retarded.

As cool as the 302DZ motor is lets not pretend it was the king of HP. The 427 aluminum motor was MUCH more powerful. (I'm using engines from the same era just to be consistant.)

While we're being honest lets face facts... the 305 wasn't built to rule the streets. It was built during a time when emissions and fuel economy were crippling muscle cars. If having 45 less cubes was so much of an advantage why aren't they making 305ci LSx engines?

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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 12-07-2006 @ 21:23:51 Reply | Top | Edit

^ the lsx series couldnt handle the power a 305 makes

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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-07-2006 @ 21:26:11 Reply | Top | Edit

True. That is why they keep getting bigger. To tone down the damage the that the power of a smaller engine could do to... Uh, just stuff... Yeah. That is it. That is my point. It is a good point because I said it is. So it is. Everyone agree now...
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 12-07-2006 @ 21:41:14 Reply | Top | Edit

First Gen Camaro engine ratings for 1969:

Z28: 302 V8 290bhp @ 5800rpm, 290lb-ft @ 4200rpm.
SS350: 350 V8 300bhp @ 4800rpm, 380lb-ft @ 3200rpm.

Exact same application, 350 has the better numbers. Also, 302's were useless until 3500-4000rpm, and were normally shifted at 7500rpm for racing. High reving horsepower with no lowend torque does not a good engine make. Unless you are launching on slicks @ 4000rpm, or racing in an application where you are consistantly in high rpm (say a long circle track) the 350 will eat the 302 for lunch.

To wrap up this 302/350 debate: In the right applications, the 302 is a great motor. In most applications, the 350 is the better motor.
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Posted By: jumper297 On: 12-07-2006 @ 21:43:03 Reply | Top | Edit

^ Hey, not fair... don't ruin this debate with facts.

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Posted By: enfilade On: 12-07-2006 @ 22:32:10 Reply | Top | Edit

well i read the whole damn thing so i might as well throw in my 3 cents. the only thing i've ever found to be better with a 305 over a 350 is the ability to handle being water-logged and frozen solid for over a month following a small-creek-turned-5-foot-hole incident. an oil change, new plugs and a warm day was all she needed to start back up. god damn amazing i thought. of course i've never waterlogged a 350 so i can't compare...still a good story though yeah?
and besides, who cares about displacement or engine mods when all you really need is a leaf blower and some dude holding a bottle of NAAAAAWWWWZZZ in front of your ride. smoke em all!
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 12-07-2006 @ 22:36:25 Reply | Top | Edit

AH HAW, Finally i got someone to admit it. There is hope for a little displacement over bigger displacement. And to comment on the the thread i posted at the top of the mountain here, "I was just wondering who all thinks that the 350 tpi, "HO",cross fire, whatever 350 you got in a 3rd gen, is "OVERALL" better than the base model 305. "lol....I never said the 305 was better. But yall all want to throw the "there is no replacement for displacment" at me. Alright Lets keep on arguing, im stepping down to a 283. 1 HP for every cubic inch thats stock for whoever want to cry about mods.and a a 4sp to back it up.Guantee ill outrun any camaro, firbird, with a 350 in it from 1982-2002. And just maybe one of those LS1 Camaros might beat me, but hey it aint nothing but a 283.lol.
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Posted By: screamin85TA On: 12-08-2006 @ 00:37:07 Reply | Top | Edit

We should definitely keep this going just so we can hear if ss tard man has any other awsome "facts" about cars. Or maybe we should open up this thread to any topic he wants to talk about just for entertainment.

And jumper297, I dont think the word "mildly" quite does him justice...ha ha ha
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Posted By: I8ASaleen On: 12-08-2006 @ 01:27:52 Reply | Top | Edit

Are you kidding me? Is this thing still not dying? Uhhh if you think you can beat me with a 283 or "...any camaro, firebird, with a 350 in it from 1982-2002" I'm just gonna keep laughing at you. You really don't get it, there are so many cars out there that are so much faster than you and yet you still cry because you have engine (penis) envy. If I ever get my car running out of laziness I would race you, but, when you lose (and you will unless you have NAAAAWWWWWWWWZZZZ) you will have to say to roubenbird and now myself that THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. Haha
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-08-2006 @ 06:26:34 Reply | Top | Edit

Um, a 283 with 1 hp per ci would have 283hp. They rated those motors gross which means that it probably makes around 230-240 net hp with lowish torque. Any LT1 has at least 275 hp and 325 tq net. I don't see you winning. Also, it's not really fair to compair any motor that was built before the smog police got strict to a 350 buit in the 80's.
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[ Edited on 12/08/2006 @ 06:27:00 ]

Posted By: Bruzer On: 12-08-2006 @ 07:42:43 Reply | Top | Edit

Alright, I8ASaleen, yep i have engine penis evy, i wish like hell i could be like you. Bitch i got engines, im just trying to prove my point, and i wont need lol./..NAWZ to help me. And just to set the record straight those 283s were rated more than 283 HP, they were a about 295, the 283 1 horse per cubic inch was a marketing tool. And dont cry about smog laws, its only a 283 right, small displacement.
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Posted By: jumper297 On: 12-08-2006 @ 08:40:24 Reply | Top | Edit

^ Who did you get to agree with you? All he said was that he watter logged a 305 before... it was just an irrelevant story.

What point are you trying to prove? That you know nothing about cars? You've already done that many times over. With your HP per CI bs you sound like a ricer now... maybe you should buy a Honda and then you can have the smallest engine and all the excuses you could ever want.
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Posted By: frosti108 On: 12-08-2006 @ 11:11:43 Reply | Top | Edit

yalls betta watch out whenz i get my 2.4 liter destrokd ima smoke yall

honestly tho. i have a good example from the 4 cyl world.

the 240sx comes with a N/A 2.4L in the US and a turbo 2.0L in japan. the turbo 2.0 liter pushes a good bit more power than the natural 2.4 liter. but guess what happened when people started strapping turbos to the bigger 2.4L in america? more power and torque with the same boost

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Posted By: jumper297 On: 12-08-2006 @ 13:45:36 Reply | Top | Edit

^Yeah I had a buddy with a 97 turbo 240. Car was fast as hell, LOT of boost.
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Posted By: n20ta2 On: 12-08-2006 @ 17:32:33 Reply | Top | Edit

Bruzer check out the stroker article in the newest carcraft magazine,then come back here and apologize for building a 305.
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Posted By: cheddar On: 12-08-2006 @ 18:33:29 Reply | Top | Edit

Guantee ill outrun any camaro, firbird, with a 350 in it from 1982-2002.

Bring your shit out here to the midwest, if it'll make it that far and I'll hand you your a$$. You'll be so embarrassed that you'll set your own car on fire and we'll share a few beers and a laugh about the whole thing over a nice lil ol 305 bar-b-que. Then we'll go find you an LS1 car to drive home and you'll be a new man.
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-08-2006 @ 18:45:47 Reply | Top | Edit

295 gross hp is still not enough. Also, how do smog laws not matter? They were the reason that motors went from making 300hp to 150hp.
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[ Edited on 12/08/2006 @ 18:46:13 ]

Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 12-08-2006 @ 20:02:38 Reply | Top | Edit

burzer, the people youre arguing with are pretty involved and knowledgable in auto racing and have been using factual information and your own words against your argument. you asked a question, a stupid question at that, and you didnt get any answers you liked, so you changed the subject by completely removing your much loved 305 far from anything that resembles a stock configuration.

your not impressing anybody, your only making an ass out of yourself. and wasting peoples time

if your a fan of small displacement, high revving engines, go get a k20a or 13b, but dont make yourself look like an ass in public and use nonsensical theoretical bullsh*t to back up half assed notions of racing.
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Posted By: Remdog On: 12-08-2006 @ 22:19:54 Reply | Top | Edit

oh ya i have a wheel barrel on nos that will destory you all

Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-08-2006 @ 23:20:44 Reply | Top | Edit

^ That is front wheel drive right?
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Posted By: 2piececrank On: 12-09-2006 @ 02:55:31 Reply | Top | Edit

^^ 1 wheel of fury.

Everytime I try to leave this topic alone it keeps getting better and better.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 12-09-2006 @ 09:12:19 Reply | Top | Edit

Useful idiot, if im wasting everyones time then why the f*ck you get get back on here an post your three cents. And as far as knowledgable goes, alot of yall on here read me wrong, I know a 350s better overall, thats why im leaving here in a min. to drop one in my 87 cam.But yall underestimate smaller displacement engines. Most of yall on here jump to proportion and give me Horsepower and torque specs, that dont mean shit sometime.Do a better job of convincine me that im totally wrong on little displacement and i might quit.
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Posted By: ThumperNC24 On: 12-09-2006 @ 09:59:18 Reply | Top | Edit

lmao, your an idiot

the reason we keep coming back is because its funny to see who will say omething stupid next.

oh, its nice that you have the only SS Cavalier, thats the shit...i wish i could drive something nice like that.
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 12-09-2006 @ 10:11:25 Reply | Top | Edit

"why the f*ck you get get back on here an post your three cents"

becasue i felt like calling you out on your opinions. as did almost everyone else.

"alot of yall on here read me wrong, I know a 350s better overall"

then why in the hell would you name a thread "Which is better 305 or 350" and ask of us "I was just wondering who all thinks that the 350 tpi, "HO",cross fire, whatever 350 you got in a 3rd gen, is "OVERALL" better than the base model 305."

that has got to be the lamest excuse for someone trying to back out of a corner they put themselves in. Its also got to be the stupidest question ive ever heard asked on a car forum.

you either did it intentionally to start a fuss, or you know absolutely nothing about how engines function.

pick one.

"Most of yall on here jump to proportion and give me Horsepower and torque specs, that dont mean shit sometime."

Horsepower , Torque, Weight, and Gearing are the 4 fundamentals of automotive performance, and have been since the first car was made. IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE HOW MUCH HORSEPOWER AND TORQUE AN ENGINE MAKES. IT DOES MATTER HOW MUCH A CAR WEIGHS. GEAR RATIOS DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN A CARS PERFORMANCE. THOSE PRINCIPLES MATTER ALL THE TIME.

"Do a better job of convincine me that im totally wrong on little displacement and i might quit"

ask any credible engine builder and he will tell you that its easier and more cost effective to get 500hp out of an engine with a larger displacement than it is to use a smaller displacement engine. time after time after time. if this wasnt true, the 262 chevy v8 would be in every car.

its not our job to convince you of anything, but we do have a resposibility to call people out when they post things like this, and when we think theyre wrong. the only convincing you need is a semester in high school physics.
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Posted By: jumper297 On: 12-09-2006 @ 10:57:47 Reply | Top | Edit

:lmao: You've tried 3 different ways to back yourself out of the hole you dug and everyone keeps calling you out. That last post seals the deal... you don't know shit about cars. My personal favorites...

But yall underestimate smaller displacement engines.

No we don't... we know they don't make as much power as the bigger motors. That's why people add boost to small motors, to increase its displacement.

Most of yall on here jump to proportion and give me Horsepower and torque specs, that dont mean shit sometime.

WTF... since when has HP and TQ not meant shit? This one is so stupid I'll give you the benefit of thinking you meant to type something else.
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-09-2006 @ 11:58:04 Reply | Top | Edit

I love this thread

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Posted By: I8ASaleen On: 12-09-2006 @ 17:48:23 Reply | Top | Edit

I heart stupid people oh and Red with this guys driver mod, I'm sure to win. Even if teh ole LT1 is gasping for life.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 12-09-2006 @ 20:50:31 Reply | Top | Edit

LMAO, Man im not trying to back out of any corner. I stand my ground, I gotta degree in physics by the way, And im a GM tech. and like i have been saying smaller displacement can destroy some bigger displacement moters. I dont care what yall say.I have outrun a 350 tpi, 350 TBI,and 350 carb with my 305 4 barrel with a T5 trans, and 3.42 gears,my 305 isnt stock but not far from it. all i have is a performance intake,flowmasters, and edelbock carb. on a 155 hp motor. All i did was bump the timing up, MSD distributor, put some tall tires on back, and Bam knocking on the 8 sec door in the 1/8. Out run many LT1 350s. well before i go further ill let yall talk some more sh!t about me being dumb.
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Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 12-10-2006 @ 01:19:01 Reply | Top | Edit

Not so much dumb as stupid to keep up the crap.

Have you not figured out that all you are getting bashed on (in all actuality, the other guy has more bashing here than you) is that your statements are way off the question this post was asking?

If you go back and read, you might catch that...

Being a GM tech doesn't make you able to get your thoughts down in plain English. Your posts have been all over the place. Not a single premise has backed your argument. That makes your Argument Unsound and Invalid. I assume you know what that means since you have a degree. Basic Creative Thinking, Psych, or PERSUASIVE WRITING terms...
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 12-10-2006 @ 10:33:55 Reply | Top | Edit

"all i have is a performance intake,flowmasters, and edelbock carb. on a 155 hp motor. All i did was bump the timing up, MSD distributor, put some tall tires on back, and Bam knocking on the 8 sec door in the 1/8. Out run many LT1 350s. well before i go further ill let yall talk some more sh!t about me being dumb."

there is no way in hell you got 125+ horsepower from just the mods that you listed.

show us a dyno sheet and some track video of your chip foose knock off running those times or cut the sh!t. your not impressing anyone on here with any of the garbage coming out of your mouth.

your a complete tool.

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Posted By: cheddar On: 12-10-2006 @ 11:21:20 Reply | Top | Edit

all i have is a performance intake,flowmasters, and edelbock carb. on a 155 hp motor. All i did was bump the timing up, MSD distributor, put some tall tires on back

Holly shit, if that don't sound like some kind of mullet headed red neck toothless kind of god damn shit I don't know what does. You probably threw a fukin 750 CFM carb on top of an emmissions cam and think it gave you at least another 100 hp at the fukin wheels.

put some tall tires on back

How tall? What gear you runnin? You put tall tires on and think that gives you an advantage? Fuk that. What a load of bullshit.
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Posted By: ThumperNC24 On: 12-10-2006 @ 11:31:58 Reply | Top | Edit

well if you have a degree in physics im the head of nasa...

there is no way your knockin on 8s and have over 250 rwhp with that shit you got....post a dyno sheet and some timeslips

we know your full of bullshit....
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-10-2006 @ 11:49:42 Reply | Top | Edit

You guys are daring to argue with a "GM tech"? How dare you all.

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Posted By: n20ta2 On: 12-10-2006 @ 11:53:22 Reply | Top | Edit

Yeah dude you are full of crap,And if your a gm tech then im president bush. No way in heck your mods beat an LT1 350,your mods are worth maybe 50 hp max that gives you 205 hp.You do realize LT1's are rated at 275 Bone stock right?
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Posted By: jumper297 On: 12-10-2006 @ 14:33:35 Reply | Top | Edit

hmm... you have a degree and physics and you're a GM tech. Those don't exactly go together, if you're going to lie just pick one and stick with that. Don't get greedy with your BS. I personally would stick with the physics lie since some of the lab techs we have at work couldn't find their ass with both hands. The problem is that they understand the fundementals of an internal combustion engine which seems to elude you. There are a lot of semi-retarded GM techs out there so maybe that's your best bet.

We aren't talking shit about you being dumb... you just insist on proving it every time you post here.

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Posted By: roubenbird On: 12-10-2006 @ 22:38:05 Reply | Top | Edit

wow, his mods look alomst exactly like mine, only i have TBI!!!

but i only run 15.5 @89ish

wait!!!

i even have headers, damn parasitic headers
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Posted By: fasteddie94 On: 12-11-2006 @ 00:37:47 Reply | Top | Edit

and Bam knocking on the 8 sec door in the 1/8.

Looks like we have a john madden wannabe here. Look guy your best bet is to quit while you're ahead because right now standing your ground is making you look like a fool.

Come on now honestly, we all know what the 305 is capable of if you mod the piss out of it. And the same holds true for any other motor but I'll bet those LT1 cars and 350 cars you "cut" are either stock as a rock, have shit drivers, or weren't even racing.

Running 9's in the 1/8 still puts you in the 14 second range where stock LT's run and adding tire height pretty much nullified your 3.42 gears. I don't have a physics degree just a basic understanding of drag racing.

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Posted By: Bruzer On: 12-11-2006 @ 07:59:54 Reply | Top | Edit

Yeah i am in the 9 sec. door, no BS, Yeah and the taller tires destroyed my gear, Im about to put headers and a 4.10 gear. Then when i come home from the track im just going to put my 3.42 back on. I think then i might just be able to pull off a high 8 run.Yeah ill admit to yall i have posted some CRAZY BS on here and i have enjoyed doing it because my responces were funny as hell. but no BS i got a 9.3 1/8 305. The only help that i really got is that 5sp. cuz my car isnt modded to hell, its got what i say its got.And stock 305s can outrun some 350s i dont care what you say, i mean i have done it. 350 is better though, i just put one in my 87 Camaro, i swapped the 305 out of it, imagine that. Anyway Im done with this post let it die, i got carried away but its been fun, During the summer when i start back racing i will post a time slip on here for all yall nonbeleivers.Peace
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-11-2006 @ 08:24:47 Reply | Top | Edit

I know you said you're done with the post, but 9.3 isn't exactly on the 8 second door. And you're going to swap gears for the track and then swap them back when you're done? Explain that one.
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Posted By: Lukn4Trbl On: 12-11-2006 @ 09:41:05 Reply | Top | Edit

I think some people need to read this thread to
understand engine dynamics.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608349&page=1&pp=20

I'm "Adrenaline_Z" on this board, and the others
you want to focus on are:

OldSStroker: Automotive Engineer and University Prof.

SStroker Ace: Engineer and Owner of Bauer Racing
Engines

Racer7088: Owner of HPE and graduate of SAM (School of automotive machinists < look it up).

Edcmat: 20 yrs. in the high performance engine
building business.

Summary:

Bruzer,

You are making some very big errors in your generalization
of displacement, stroke and RPM.

Here's a list of STOCK GM motors with varied stroke,
bore and TQ/HP peaks.

Would you care to explain how your theories hold
up against the following?

Engine....Bore.....Stroke........TQ...........HP

LS1.......3.90......3.62.....350@4400....345@5600

LS6.......3.90......3.62.....400@4800....405@6000

LT5.......3.90......3.66.....370@4800....375@6000

L98........4.0.......3.48.....345@4200....250@5600

350........4.0.......3.48....380@4000.....360@6000 (Year 1970)

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Posted By: Vulture On: 12-12-2006 @ 11:05:25 Reply | Top | Edit

The 305 is ideal for people who don't drive fast, but like the torqy feel of a muscle car.

Posted By: IROC2fast4u On: 12-12-2006 @ 15:32:21 Reply | Top | Edit

Don't get me wrong... 305s can be made quick. Actually, my stock LB9 ran a 14.9 @ 92, but it was a factory freak.

Honestly, I look back on that car and I STILL miss driving it (it's in the garage incapacitated). It's more fun than my LT1 and not nearly as fast...

Anything I add to this thread will just be a repeat of what everyone else has said, so I'm going to let this rest by saying a 305 is not worthless, but it is FAR from a performance engine. It takes a lot more to get power out of them (trust me, I looked into it quite extensively--they just don't have the response).
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Posted By: BADDEST305 On: 12-17-2006 @ 09:48:24 Reply | Top | Edit

this thread freaking crackes me up, so many people who don't know what the hell they are talking about. keep it up guys it makes for some great reading!!
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Posted By: RedScreaminMachine On: 12-17-2006 @ 19:56:18 Reply | Top | Edit

Baddest305, what do you know about 305's

You got rid of yours for that crappy 434, lol.
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Posted By: Shift On: 12-18-2006 @ 01:04:18 Reply | Top | Edit

Why does this forum not have a page system? There is too much scrolling involved. Are there any moderators here as well? This thread is just stupid anymore. The first reply determined it all.

"..this has gotta be in the top 10 dumbest questions ever on fbody.com.."
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Posted By: z28freak84 On: 12-25-2006 @ 15:44:41 Reply | Top | Edit

1985 IROC-Z28...Vortec 350(360ci) +.060", '89 L98 cam, T5 w/ B&M Ripper & CenterForce D/F clutch, Summit shorties,Prof. Prod. Crosswind intake,
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Posted By: DarkCamaro On: 12-26-2006 @ 13:28:46 Reply | Top | Edit

jesus that took forever to read, took 2 smoke breaks lol.

my camaro originally had a 305 in it, at first when i dropped my 350 in it was stock and i was kinda dissappointed. it felt like the 305 pulled harder. but top end the 305 fell flat on its face where the 350 kept pulling. after a few bolt ons and some gear i was much happier with the 350, however thats modded vs stock.
i have a serious question to you guys though, lets take 2 91 RS's put a 305 in one and a 350 in the other. both stock to stock. same gear, trans, driver, everything the same except the motor. seeing how the 305 is more tqy than the350 would it take it in the 1/8th? and 60 ft? and would the 350 take the 1/4?

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Posted By: BRDofPRY On: 02-08-2007 @ 00:59:54 Reply | Top | Edit

hate to bump but.....no/yes/no
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 02-08-2007 @ 14:17:41 Reply | Top | Edit

^ was that to the original question or to the one right above you?
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 02-08-2007 @ 15:37:51 Reply | Top | Edit

brdofpry, it took all us guys 2 months of ignoring this thread to knock it out of the top 20 posts in the 3rdgen forum, why are you reminding us of this disgusting piece of history?
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Posted By: BRDofPRY On: 02-09-2007 @ 04:39:54 Reply | Top | Edit

rouben-to the question above me
useful-I'm sorry.....I've never bumped an old thread before and this one was funny....
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Posted By: jumper297 On: 02-09-2007 @ 10:30:58 Reply | Top | Edit

Its back!

I was just reading over it here at work laughing my ass off. Good times.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 02-28-2007 @ 08:37:27 Reply | Top | Edit

Wow this isnt dead yet, there must be some truth in this thread.lol
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Posted By: REDREIGN On: 02-28-2007 @ 10:05:19 Reply | Top | Edit

My Caps Lock Button Is Broken

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Posted By: REDREIGN On: 02-28-2007 @ 10:23:18 Reply | Top | Edit

Truth is 350 is better, but if the 305 was modified to make up for the displacement difference you can have a powerful 305.
the most you can put on the engine is a mild cam, larger injectors, High PSI fuel pump, change the pulleys, cold air kit, tornado fuel saver (it really works) and a slight modication to the EMC AND CHANGE THE REAR END TO 3:73, that can make a big diffrence.
I BURNED PLENTY OF STOCK 350's on the streets. they never knew what hit'em
-then i dropped in a 383-hahahah now they hear me coming from blocks away.

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Posted By: Vingmc3500 On: 09-08-2007 @ 16:20:30 Reply | Top | Edit

It depends on what you are using it for mostly If you are hot rodding definately a 350 if you drive on long trips i perfer a 305 i find 350s run a little hotter and start to use oil after hours of driving at highway speeds and rpms over 2600 rpms if thats your driving style or gear ratio both very reliable and strong as a 305 is only a debored 350 so i say preference if 200 hp is plenty for your ride keep a 305 if you want more go with a 350 i personally dont like the tpi engine i find some of its components to be troublesome but i drive 75 k a year

Posted By: REDREIGN On: 09-08-2007 @ 16:27:12 Reply | Top | Edit

damn this thead is still alive!

well since i last wrote i installed a 4:11 rear end so highway is out of the question.
motor oil best to use is 10w40 but no thinner
moblie or royal puple.
im happy with my 383 stroker.

My Caps Lock Button Is Broken

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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 09-08-2007 @ 20:58:06 Reply | Top | Edit

would some mod please lock this thread? its an embarassment to the people on this website.
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Posted By: Green97TAMachine On: 09-09-2007 @ 03:04:48 Reply | Top | Edit

x 1000
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Posted By: camaro91 On: 09-09-2007 @ 16:00:49 Reply | Top | Edit

please lock this thread! :woohoo:
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Posted By: LeadFootedRacer On: 09-09-2007 @ 17:04:57 Reply | Top | Edit

Posted By: roubenbird On: 09-10-2007 @ 00:31:03 Reply | Top | Edit

NOOOOOOOO Lets keep it! It will be my personal goal to bump this thread every week now!
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 09-11-2007 @ 00:00:59 Reply | Top | Edit

then it will be my personal goal to point in your direction every week and inform everyone why the 3rd gen forum resembles the humpty dumpty day care center.

this thread is a reminder of how insanly stupid some people can be, if this was TGO it would of been deleted right after it was posted. even though i havent owned a 3rd gen in over two years, it depresses me to see such a lovely and fun production car (not to mention engine family) be mangled and raped by a group of horny, drunken baboons, and for that reason alone, this thread deseves to be locked.
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Posted By: Shift On: 09-11-2007 @ 00:38:31 Reply | Top | Edit

POOP! 305 > 350 ftw lol
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 09-11-2007 @ 16:24:29 Reply | Top | Edit

useful_idi0t,

seriously? Fbody.com is better than TGO in that way. this site is more of a place for people to come and BS adn argue over what works and what doesn't. TGO is almost exclusivley a tech site.

my last comment was a joke, i suppose i should have put a "jk" im not gonna bump it anymore. if you have a response put it in a new thread so this can in fact die. we'll continue from there
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Posted By: Pocket On: 09-11-2007 @ 17:43:52 Reply | Top | Edit

For once I completely agree with a post from useful_idi0t
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Posted By: useful_idi0t On: 09-11-2007 @ 20:38:32 Reply | Top | Edit

rouben,

i knew your comment was a joke, but when people continue to add to the thread that already takes up a ton of bandwidth and knocks more important posts down to the bottom, it becomes a problem that any site should deal with. i understand i just knocked someones post by replying to this, but this doesnt warrant starting a new thread.

and for once i completely agree with a post from pocket

Posted By: Bruzer On: 09-18-2007 @ 10:16:30 Reply | Top | Edit

Man i dont know what too say. omg the 305 thread is still alive. This thread really is no longer about my opinion, its about what everyone prefers. Most prefer a 350, even i do, but it was real exciting to see how many people enjoyed there peppy 305s. My 305 now lays on the ground (RIP). Then i built a 350 with cam, headers and u know the works. but i enjoyed the hell out of my 305 with the 5sp borg warner trans.
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Posted By: CFCAMARO25th On: 09-23-2007 @ 23:54:38 Reply | Top | Edit

Dude, 1hp per cubic inch. Fuck that lets look at honda, or more accurately the 1.8liter integra type-r makes almost 200 horsepower. Thats more than 100 horsepower PER LITER. Thats ummmmmmmm better than what lambo makes. Most certianly better than what most v8's make, cause I don't see your 5.0's making 500 ponies, or your 5.7's making 570... Now Here I am bashing my own care cause I have a 1992 305TBI 5spd. Camaro RS, and I would never ever think I was gonna win against my buddies type-r, and at the very least not run it against my dads GTA 350. Nope not gonna win either of those races with the LO3 V8 I'm packing as of right now.

Posted By: camaro91 On: 09-24-2007 @ 02:41:39 Reply | Top | Edit

this thread is nevr gonna die! ok here goes... cfcamaro25th - there are 4 things that determine racing. gearing, weight, hp and tq. that integra is gonna wipe the street with us cuz we their power:weight ratio is better than ours... and quite frankly, i love the 305! its fun no problems... i'm gonna drop a 355 in my rs cuz i want the straight power. its gonna b my 12 sec dd!
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Posted By: CFCAMARO25th On: 09-24-2007 @ 09:14:22 Reply | Top | Edit

That wasn't my point but I understand what you're saying. And I understand the fundamentals of racing. And the power to weight ratio is where it's at, but the problem is keeping a balanced weight distribution in our cars while making them lighter for competition purposes.

Posted By: Shift On: 09-24-2007 @ 09:30:49 Reply | Top | Edit

Or lets look at 8000hp Top Fuel cars, bizatch.
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 09-24-2007 @ 12:03:57 Reply | Top | Edit

Yes, It's alive!
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Posted By: CFCAMARO25th On: 09-24-2007 @ 14:03:17 Reply | Top | Edit

Haha, thats one way to go too I guess.

Posted By: wildcatkit52

On: 09-24-2007 @ 17:57:07 Reply | Top | Edit

1.8 has how much torque and when?

HP is just a measurement of torque over time. Torque moves things. Which is more practical stoplight to stoplight when the Honda pulls up next to you?

Also you have to look at how much more conservatively built a third gen V8 is. The 305 that came ORIGINAL in my car has NEVER been opened. It still runs great for what it is and was intended to do.

The V8 engines that have as much technology as the new 4 bangers you compare them to have more than 1hp per cubic inch...

A SBC crate motor in Summit is 355 cubic inch and has 385hp and 405ft/lbs for $2,899.95...

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=MLL%2DBP3550CT&autoview=sku

How much torque per cubic inch does a Honda 1.8 have??? (Let's see if you can do the math!!!)

Also, How much HP can you get from the V8 compared to the I4 per dollar when you start modifying it? More power for less money right?
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 09-25-2007 @ 00:51:30 Reply | Top | Edit

how did my thread get to talking about damn HONDAS.
lol

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Posted By: camaro91 On: 09-26-2007 @ 03:04:26 Reply | Top | Edit

ok i think i can bridge the gap 4 u bruzer... from 82-85 some camaros came with 4 bangers (iron duke). thats about as close as i can get.. i dunno LOL!

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Posted By: nic On: 09-29-2007 @ 04:45:47 Reply | Top | Edit

umm..dont know how to start really...im new here and this is the first post i read before registering..this is nutz..ok all i want to say is im building a 305 because i chose to build a 305. the STOCK 305 V.S. the STOCK 350 on a dyno, in a warehouse with no wind or other elements the 350 puts out more..its normal... but i cant help but remind everyone theres more litres in my coke bottle than 90% of hondas engines...I HATE CIVICS
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Posted By: DZ On: 04-20-2009 @ 16:39:28 Reply | Top | Edit

lol. This is the best thread ever. Man im sorry i missed this

Posted By: camaro91 On: 04-20-2009 @ 19:38:12 Reply | Top | Edit

^fail. ban dz
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Posted By: DZ On: 04-21-2009 @ 11:14:03 Reply | Top | Edit

Im sorry i just couldn't help but laugh at how out of hand it got.Initially i was with the majority on this one, and then, well i dont know what happened.I mean we all know its the setup of the vehicle as a whole that matters. Anyway sorry for bringing this back up.

Posted By: PongoX11 On: 04-24-2009 @ 00:30:40 Reply | Top | Edit

I really should lock this, but this thread is kinda like a friendly loyal dog that destroys the furniture...
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Posted By: roubenbird On: 04-24-2009 @ 13:32:30 Reply | Top | Edit

Please never ever lock it. I love to see it once every 6 months.
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Posted By: Bruzer On: 04-29-2009 @ 22:05:37 Reply | Top | Edit

haha never dies. Since yall bring it up again, my 350 sucks. 305 still alive.
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Posted By: Shift On: 04-29-2009 @ 22:52:16 Reply | Top | Edit

305's and 350's both suck. 346 is the way to go

Posted By: Bruzer On: 04-30-2009 @ 07:30:45 Reply | Top | Edit

damn skippy, 327 or 400.or maybe a honda,
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Posted By: thepatriot91 On: 04-30-2009 @ 16:43:24 Reply | Top | Edit

350 is definately way better

Posted By: camaro91 On: 04-30-2009 @ 19:58:15 Reply | Top | Edit

346! thats how we roll!

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Posted By: Lukn4Trbl On: 06-02-2009 @ 04:49:40 Reply | Top | Edit

It has been a while...

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Posted By: fbodys_own On: 06-05-2009 @ 13:57:29 Reply | Top | Edit

i encountered this problem while shopping for a new dildo. it was either the 3.05v or the 3.50v, i went for the 3.5 to power the larger one i decided to purchase.

hopefully this helps!
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Posted By: KauaiZ28 On: 06-10-2009 @ 17:09:21 Reply | Top | Edit

so yeah,read this whole stupid thing hell of an ordeal,lot's of good points.....lot's more bickeringas far as the destroke a motor thing the way i understand is those high power small displacement motors do by being"square" or overquare meaning bore and stroke are equal or basically arent throwing the pistons too far up and down so they can spin really high....hasn't got nothin to do with 350vs305 but food for thought and something for everyone to cry about and tell me how stupid i am..have at it boys.rip this post apart

Posted By: roubenbird On: 06-10-2009 @ 19:01:34 Reply | Top | Edit

A year and a half too late, bro. The argument is over.

Oh, and you are stupid.
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