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Help decoding 1st gen Data Plate Posted By: Ghostdiver On: 01-04-2008 @ 01:31:53 Reply | Edit I ran across your site and being a F-body kinda guy I figured I would join in. I always wanted a 69 Camaro and I ran across one but the numbers I'm comming up with dont add up. Hopefully someone out her can help out. Car is a 69 with SS hood and emblems with a non-original 350. Drivetrain has been replaced. Owner states orig was 396. Taillamp panal is body color, not black but I suspect it may have been repainted. Speedo goes to 120, not sure about tach. No guages on center console. Console indicates 3 spd auto. Now heres the data plate and vin: ST69 12437 NOR 182419 BDY TR711 71 71 PNT 11C VIN: 12437NOR182419 I could not make out the VIN on the dash. This was taken off the inspection sticker and the data plate. Now, while doing my research I found a few problems. So, in order to clear them up I need to get some expert opinions. First, all the Norwood production numbers that I found for 69 start at 500001 and up. Car is running but not in reliable condition. He's asking 11k. Any help would be great. Posted By: torquejunky On: 09-19-2006 @ 15:39:04 Reply | Top | Edit I don't know the first gens as well as I know the second gens but what sounds a little fishy to me is that it was originally and automatic and the fact that there is no X code. I would try doing some more research before dropping 11K on it especially if it does not have the original drivetrain. Try this site and you should be able to fully decode the numbers: http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml -- 1971 Camaro RS Z28: 383 forged stroker 11.5:1CR; Turbo 400 w/3800 stall; 3.73 posi; shaved & ported fuelie heads, 2.02/1.60 valves; Comp Cams XR292R cam, their valve springs, roller lifters & rockers; Victor Jr. intake; Upgraded 750cfm Holley DP; MSD HEI & Digital 6+ box; Taylor Thundervolt wires; sub frame connectors and traction bars; Headman headers; 3" dual exhaust, X pipe & Magnaflows; more to come -- 1971 Camaro RS Z28: 383 forged stroker 11.5:1CR; Turbo 400 w/3800 stall; 3.73 posi; shaved & ported fuelie heads, 2.02/1.60 valves; Comp Cams XR292R cam, their valve springs, roller lifters & rockers; Victor Jr. intake; Upgraded 750cfm Holley DP; MSD HEI & Digital 6+ box; Taylor Thundervolt wires; sub frame connectors and traction bars; Headman headers; 3" dual exhaust, X pipe & Magnaflows; more to come [ Edited on 09/19/2006 @ 15:41:43 ] [ Edited on 09/19/2006 @ 15:47:19 ] Posted By: 70modelz28 On: 09-20-2006 @ 16:14:41 Reply | Top | Edit (TR 711)black standard interior, (71 71)one tone lemans blue, (11C)built 3rd week of Nov. Its a v8 camaro from Norwood. I got this from a book i have. How exact it is, I dont know. It shows the the vin to start at 500000 like you stated. I dont think i could give up 11K for it but its up to you. Posted By: Jonnyscotti On: 09-21-2006 @ 14:33:59 Reply | Top | Edit Your Vin Decodes as this: 1=Chevrolet 2=Camaro 4=8 cylinder engine 3=coupe body 7=1967 NOR=Norwood, Ohio Plant 182419=Sequential Body Number Your Data Plate Decodes as this: ST69=1969 12437=Coupe Body NOR=Norwood, Ohio Plant 182419=Sequential Body Number TR711=Black Standard Interior 71=Lemans Blue (upper) 71=Lemans Blue (lower) 11C= 3rd week of November Okay, now if you look at this information and compare there is a few discrepencies. Like the model year in the Vin compared with the Trim Tag. You might have read one wrong. The sequential body numbers match but indicate that the car is a 1967. Perhaps there was a mistake at the plant, it does happen but very rarely. If I were you I would try at my very best to read the Vin on the dash. It might clear up some things or make more questions. I'm going to ask someone if there is an alternate vin location besides the ones stated and I'll get back to you. -- In loving memory of our little girl, Sierra Louise. We love you and will miss you. You'll be in our hearts forever. May 1, 2005 - July 21, 2005  Posted By: Jonnyscotti On: 09-21-2006 @ 15:36:13 Reply | Top | Edit Okay, I have found some information regarding alternate partial-vin locations. http://www.camaros.org/numbers.shtml#PartialVIN -- In loving memory of our little girl, Sierra Louise. We love you and will miss you. You'll be in our hearts forever. May 1, 2005 - July 21, 2005 Posted By: Ghostdiver On: 09-21-2006 @ 17:15:35 Reply | Top | Edit I did not make the connection to the vin being from a 67 Camaro but that does make sense with what I have found. Including the seq body number for 69 starts at 500001, and everything I have found states 67 started with 100001. Also, the drawings/diagrams of data tags for 69 do not show the plant location as three letter code, only a single L or N. This one is stamped NOR. I've only seen this as being on a 67 data tag. The vin was not verified as of yet. I will attempt to inspect if further. If I am wrong in any of my conclusions, let me know. Posted By: Jonnyscotti On: 09-22-2006 @ 14:51:49 Reply | Top | Edit I was just wondering if you know what a 69 camaro looks like compared to a 67 and 68 camaro? The 69 is a bit more unique than the other two, that's what makes the 69 more valuable. Here's a couple of links to show you the difference in case you don't know. Look at the fender and rear quarter. http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/photoads/geiger0806/index.html http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/photoads/lasseter2/index.html -- In loving memory of our little girl, Sierra Louise. We love you and will miss you. You'll be in our hearts forever. May 1, 2005 - July 21, 2005 Posted By: Ghostdiver On: 09-22-2006 @ 15:23:26 Reply | Top | Edit I had a 69 Camaro a few years back but it was in such poor condition that I could have built a tube frame chassis and skinned it cheaper than rebuilding that one. I have studied the first gen Camaro quite extensively but never having dealt with "fakes" I was not exposed to the litle things to look for. Posted By: Jonnyscotti On: 09-22-2006 @ 16:53:48 Reply | Top | Edit Well, it sounds like it's a 69 body but someone has taken off the original vin and cowl tag and put a 67 vin and cowl tag on it. Possibly the car was stolen? I have seen this happen quite a bit. If you find the partial-vin in the cowl area run the numbers through DMV to see if it is stolen. I just love figuring out these types of mysteries.  -- In loving memory of our little girl, Sierra Louise. We love you and will miss you. You'll be in our hearts forever. May 1, 2005 - July 21, 2005 Posted By: rackman On: 09-13-2007 @ 18:08:52 Reply | Top | Edit That cowl tag is correct for an early build 69 Camaro.....Pre X code and old style tag Also that is not the VIN #...Nothing you provided points to anything to do with a 67... Here is another 69 cowl tag built in the same week... http://members.aol.com/radzik2/11ctag.jpg Dan [ Edited on 09/13/2007 @ 00:52:16 ] Posted By: outlaw69 On: 09-12-2007 @ 18:36:05 Reply | Top | Edit Actually you need to look at the Vin itself the Trim Tag never matches the last 6 numbers of the actual vin. Also you are missing info on the vin, It should start 124379N for a 69, if it was a 67 or 68 it would be 124377N (67) or 124378N (68) Without the correct Vin here is a rough Decode 1 = Chevrolet 2 = Camaro 4 = 8-cylinder engine 37 = coupe body 9 = 1969 model year N = Norwood, OH assembly plant XXXXXX - the first digit must be a 5,6 or 7. Decode for body number: 182419 11C = Built the Third week of November. 69-12437 = Coupe. NOR = Built in Norwood Ohio. 711 = Standard Black Bucket Seats. 71-71 = Car Color is LeMans Blue Posted By: torquejunky On: 09-17-2007 @ 22:49:18 Reply | Top | Edit My Caps Lock Button Is Broken -- 1971 Camaro RS Z28: 383 forged stroker 11.5:1CR; Turbo 400 w/3800 stall; 3.73 posi; shaved & ported fuelie heads, 2.02/1.60 valves; Comp Cams XR292R cam, their valve springs, roller lifters & rockers; Victor Jr. intake; Upgraded 750cfm Holley DP; MSD HEI & Digital 6+ box; Taylor Thundervolt wires; sub frame connectors and traction bars; Headman headers; 3" dual exhaust, X pipe & Magnaflows; more to come Posted By: schroederfarley On: 11-17-2007 @ 17:43:30 Reply | Top | Edit If you want to find your vin and their is no tag remove the heater box or air conditioning box on the firewall and the vin number is stamped here upside down on the firewall. This is a hidden area incase of theft recovery.
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